Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven

[Alan Medic]

I think I agree with just about everything Louisa has said. Having a closed mind at either end of the spectrum is choosing to be content with what may well be a false notion of existence and life.

[KidKruger]

I'm open to many things though.

Just not ju-ju men in the sky.

Hardly closed minded to look at what's in front of you and say "that stuff's in front of me" !

Anyways, what you two smokin ? (and where can I get some..)

Also are you a clique ? (or a cult...)

[numbers]

Haven't physicists recently proved that our existence is not really 'real'?

I agree with Jeremy re Dawkins. Went to one of his lectures many moons ago & found him unbelievably arrogant. (Edit: Dawkins not Jeremy...whom I've also met and us definitely not arrogant) :)

[Salsaboy]

I know I'm real. I just poked myself with a stick and it hurt.

numbers Wrote:

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> Haven't physicists recently proved that our

> existence is not really 'real'?

[numbers]

Salsa the stick isn't even real!!!

[stringvest]

OMG !! :-)

[Salsaboy]

Bugger. But hang on, why should I listen to you? You're not real.

numbers Wrote:

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> Salsa the stick isn't even real!!!

[Alan Medic]

Well worth watching: Genius of the ancient world. It's still on BBCi. The first episode is about Buddha.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b064jf28/genius-of-the-ancient-world-1-buddha

[Blah Blah]

Yes I watched that. Found it very interesting. I also find Hinduism more interesting than the three main religions too.

[JohnL]

I think therefore I am :)

I think harder and discovered I wasn't :(

[uncleglen]

Richard Dawkins must increasingly be feeling like he is banging his head against a brick wall given the upsurge in religious fervour all over the place. That teacher that was stabbed (in a science class?) was attributing his narrow escape to Jesus and god....bugger the medics that actually fixed him up!

[Jeremy]

Well religion is in sharp decline in the UK according to the census. Between 2001 and 2011, the number of people in the UK with no religious beliefs rose from around 15% to around 25%.

[JohnL]

Thinking through a virtual reality universe - the designer of it could add in a heaven and hell.

really depressing thought - I won't need a coat for where I'm off :)

[uncleglen]

It stands to reason (literally) that religion is on the decline since we are educated and have thousands of years of philosophy and many more of us have learned to think for ourselves....unfortunately the god-botherers are STILL hijacking many areas of our lives. I do thoroughly object to my taxes funding the desemination of so much deceit and lies-not to mention the discrimination against LGBT people- YES, god-botherers they are human beings!

[miga]

There are plenty of mainstream Christians who don't have those views of LGBT, and denominations which have lesbian/gay pastors.

Let's also not forget that, for better or worse, the institution that fostered that development of philosophy (and art, and science) was the Church for long stretches of history.

I guess my problem with those blanket statements about the Church and the aggressive approach ofsomeone like Dawkins is that there's no nuance, it's predictable. I agree in principle, but I think he's arguing against the past and there's probably a better conversation to be had.

[JohnL]

miga Wrote:

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> There are plenty of mainstream Christians who

> don't have those views of LGBT, and denominations

> which have lesbian/gay pastors.

>

> Let's also not forget that, for better or worse,

> the institution that fostered that development of

> philosophy (and art, and science) was the Church

> for long stretches of history.

>

> I guess my problem with those blanket statements

> about the Church and the aggressive approach

> of someone like Dawkins is that there's no nuance,

> it's predictable. I agree in principle, but I

> think he's arguing against the past and there's

> probably a better conversation to be had.

But I'd hate for what he says to be banned somehow

under modern blasphemy laws.

[Jah Lush]

Richard Dawkins is God.

[uncleglen]

I meant to say 'dissemination ....' how it came out as 'desemination...' probably unconscious reference to other 'faith' goings-on.

R. Dawkins is not arguing against the past because the religious beliefs of the past are alive and well today. Faith schools are still operating using dogma from the past, much of it fundamentalist, and it is just as bad as it was 30 years ago- if not worse.

All faiths are self-serving. The leaders are just the same as politicians...instead of crosses on ballot papers, read 'bums on pews' or whatever.

It's all just a way of keeping the poor and needy satisfied with the promise of this 'heaven' ffs

[stringvest]

I am not religious. I think religion is a man-made invention, just to try and explain the universe in an age when they couldn't and keep others in check. Any good I do is altruistic and not for some reward from a beardy sky fairy !! OMG ;-)

I can believe there was a Jesus, illegitimate son of an engaged couple and it's a good story, Try that one today down at social services !!!!

And the other religions are not much better, creating a universe from a lotus flower in a belly button? The bible and Quoran actually have a lot in common.

I can't explain or prove where the universe came from: big bang, continually evolving multiverse or whatever, but I don't believe it was "designed" by deities either. Thanks.

[Jah Lush]

http://i1369.photobucket.com/albums/ag237/jahlushhead/11855917_1014632895248105_2445872907649572213_n_zpsnwcz2lss.jpg

[steveo]

When I was young I was all f*ucked up on drink and drugs.

Then I discovered the Lord.

And now I'm all fuc*ked up on the Lord

[Parkdrive]

steveo Wrote:

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> When I was young I was all f*ucked up on drink and

> drugs.

>

> Then I discovered the Lord.

>

> And now I'm all fuc*ked up on the Lord

Isn't that a quote from Cheech and Chong?

[Jah Lush]

If it isn't, it should be.

[stringvest]

Where was he discovered? Behind the sofa?

[uncleglen]

You'd think people would give this thread a rest today considering that it's Sunday....