Camberwell Bakerloo extension looking unilkely

[Earl Aelfheah]

Southwark news:

http://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/camberwell-campaigners-go-off-the-rail-over-bakerloo-line-extension-report/

[Siduhe]

Isn't that the same report we were discussing here? http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1400405,1571161#msg-1571161

Or have TFL published something new?

Edited to say - the above sounds a bit abrupt - genuine question if this was a new report - I can see now that it's the same one! Thanks for posting.

[ianr]

"Update - 7 September 2015

We have today published the Responses to Issues Raised document.

Click here to view a copy of the Responses to Issues Raised document"

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tube/bakerloo-extension

[JohnL]

I'm disappointed in the spelling of disappointed :)

A long way to go yet in that one - they may end up begging for the Camberwell-Peckham route.

[Jeremy]

Shame the OKR route won't connect with Queens Road Peckham. E&C, OKR, QRP, NXG would have been a good little route.

[worldwiser]

What a shocker. All their previous pronouncements on this made it quite clear which option was their preferred one. Let's leave tens of thousands of existing residents in tubeless, congested isolation and spend eye-watering amounts on infrastructure for neighbourhoods which don't even exist yet. Definitely the correct priority. This was Walworth Road's one hope for relief which will now never come.

[monkeylite]

Camberwell is served by the well connected Denmark Hill and is a short walk from other stations. OKR has nothing. And there are tens of thousands of existing residents there as well.

In an ideal world, there would be two new lines/extensions coming down both ways. But I can see why OKR would get the nod.

[JohnL]

If they go OKR - It'll get canned - no champions.

But London could have entirely changed by 2030 - we may have an entirely different system anyway.

Edit: saying 2030 now means 2040 after all the delays IMHO.

[Lazero]

There'll be plenty of money/ lobbying behind the OKR route - I noticed quite a few new developments going up when I last drove through that area. Some of them even reference the Bakerloo line in their promotional materials. There are also loads of businesses along the road that would love more traffic and will surely help to push for it.

[JohnL]

Lazero Wrote:

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> There'll be plenty of money/ lobbying behind the

> OKR route - I noticed quite a few new developments

> going up when I last drove through that area. Some

> of them even reference the Bakerloo line in their

> promotional materials. There are also loads of

> businesses along the road that would love more

> traffic and will surely help to push for it.

What happened to the commitment made by the mayor

http://www.southwarklabour.co.uk/get-involved/extend-the-bakerloo.aspx

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/boris-johnson-bakerloo-line-extension-to-peckhams-time-has-come-8540510.html

[Earl Aelfheah]

Public money only goes into areas where it can subsidise private developers unfortunately. ulitimately it'll enrich someone's property portfolio no end, but the taxpayers of Camberwell will still be stuck on a bus crawling up the Walworth Road.

[JohnL]

Yes

Seems like a promise reneged on.

I'd rather no line then if that's how they want it.

[monkeylite]

Pretty sure there are people who lives around OKR who pays their taxes as well.

[Lazero]

JohnL Wrote:

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> What happened to the commitment made by the mayor

Easy for him to pledge to do some very expensive things, though they aren't always realistically achievable. If/ when they have to choose just one option in London - "opportunity areas" always seem to be the main focus. I wish they wouldn't forget the areas left in between.

[JohnL]

Lazero Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > What happened to the commitment made by the

> mayor

>

> Easy for him to pledge to do some very expensive

> things, though they aren't always realistically

> achievable. If/ when they have to choose just one

> option in London - "opportunity areas" always seem

> to be the main focus. I wish they wouldn't forget

> the areas left in between.

There is a business/regeneration case for OKR.

But they should think about both if they promise or not promise at all.

It's not Peckham - but Walworth road and Camberwell which could with something.

But it's 2015 and we are talking about 2030 - we might have flying cars aka Back to the Future :)

[JohnL]

monkeylite Wrote:

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> Pretty sure there are people who lives around OKR

> who pays their taxes as well.

But if they promise one thing then can you trust them with whatever

they promise again - 10 years before anything will ever start.

[????]

If you remove "What works best for me, my commute and the value of my house". Then the OKR route makes sense in terms of encouraging development of new housing and helping to solve the housing crisis.

[Nigello]

Camberwell/W Road is already helping to solve the problem of lack of housing: just look at the large developments as you go down from Camberwell Green. However, being part of the solution to that problem means adding to the one of transport because there will be hundreds more people wanting to get to and from their new homes.

I really hope Camberwell does get some form of rail transport, being it "BR", Tube or Overground. I'm so longing for a faster option that I'd even settle for a guided bus....

[Sweptwind]

Camberwell and Peckham option is struggling. Bakerloo going down OKR to terminate at Lewisham by the sounds of it. Bromley Council unsupportive of the Hayes route.

http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/8569

[Earl Aelfheah]

Nigello Wrote:

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> Camberwell/W Road is already helping to solve the

> problem of lack of housing: just look at the large

> developments as you go down from Camberwell Green.

> However, being part of the solution to that

> problem means adding to the one of transport

> because there will be hundreds more people wanting

> to get to and from their new homes.

> I really hope Camberwell does get some form of

> rail transport, being it "BR", Tube or Overground.

> I'm so longing for a faster option that I'd even

> settle for a guided bus....

Exactly the point of Section 106 money. I don't understand why the council haven't leveraged these new developments which are going up all along the Thameslink link running through Camberwell, to reopen the station?

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[JohnL]

As I said before

We'll have flying cars by the time either gets built :)

It'll never get done in my lifetime (I'm 49)

Edit : and that link just references itself - where's the report ??

#backtothefuture

[Sweptwind]

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20151217-pt1-item05-commissioner-report.pdf

Page 38 refers to the Bakerloo Line extension. The rest is worth a read too.

[healey]

Still not great for those heading directly north. It shouldn't be a case of either/or anyway. Both options should be built.

monkeylite Wrote:

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> Camberwell is served by the well connected Denmark

> Hill and is a short walk from other stations. OKR

> has nothing. And there are tens of thousands of

> existing residents there as well.

>

> In an ideal world, there would be two new

> lines/extensions coming down both ways. But I can

> see why OKR would get the nod.

[healey]

Interesting that they mention reopening Camberwell overground station. Useful, but doesn't really address the core issue of more direct access north to the Waterloo area.

Sweptwind Wrote:

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> http://content.tfl.gov.uk/board-20151217-pt1-item0

> 5-commissioner-report.pdf

>

> Page 38 refers to the Bakerloo Line extension. The

> rest is worth a read too.