Blah Blah Posted December 5, 2015 Author Share Posted December 5, 2015 :D Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark67 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Bombing Doesn't seem to have worked in Iraq, Also I noticed Those on social media with a gun ho "bomb them" mentality are the same "close our borders to refugees" shouters....Do they not realise this creates more people fleeing now they are being bombed, shot at & terrorised from all sides ?I marched against the Iraq war against Tony Blair, which is pretty much responsible for the mess the middle east is in today.And believe me I'm as far from a "red flag waiving leftie" as you could be Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 El Presidente is right about ISIS who are behaving in a worse way than the Japanese in WW2 and look what happened to them..... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 But ISIS haven't bombed Pearl Harbour Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulwichFox Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 uncleglen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> El Presidente is right about ISIS who are behaving> in a worse way than the Japanese in WW2 and look> what happened to them.....Yep.. Japan.. Look what happened to them.. The economy of Japan is the third largest in the world..They produce a large proportion of the worlds Motor Cycles.. Cars, Electronic goods, High end cameras, Camcorders, Televisions, Videplayers .Major Japanese electronics companies include Canon, Casio, Citizen, Fujifilm, Fujitsu, Hitachi, JVC Kenwood, Konica Minolta, Kyocera, Mitsubishi Electric, NEC, Nikon, Nintendo, Olympus, Panasonic, Pioneer, Ricoh, Seiko Group, Sharp Corporation, Sony, TDK, Toshiba and Yamaha.DulwichFox Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Japanese electronics? Whatever next? World's gawn mad! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 There you go then....there is hope for Syria.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyNorwood Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 And now this..... All this 'notinmyname' - well this is not in MY name..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12035552/Knifeman-screams-this-is-for-Syria-in-London-tube-machete-attack.html Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 DulwichFox Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> uncleglen Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > El Presidente is right about ISIS who are> behaving> > in a worse way than the Japanese in WW2 and> look> > what happened to them.....> > Yep.. Japan.. Look what happened to them.. > > The economy of Japan is the third largest in the> world..> > They produce a large proportion of the worlds> Motor Cycles.. Cars, Electronic goods, High end> cameras, Camcorders, > Televisions, Videplayers .> > Major Japanese electronics companies include > Canon, Casio, Citizen, Fujifilm, Fujitsu, Hitachi,> JVC Kenwood, > Konica Minolta, Kyocera, Mitsubishi Electric, NEC,> Nikon, Nintendo, Olympus, Panasonic, Pioneer,> Ricoh, > Seiko Group, Sharp Corporation, Sony, TDK, ToshibaL> and Yamaha.> > DulwichFoxYou forgot to add Sushi and Sumo wrestling to your fantastic listWasn't Kato from Japan tooAnd Futons Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 They also make excellent salted fish snacks :) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Blah Blah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> They also make excellent salted fish snacks :)They do indeed Blah blah, I'm sure President Assad has his eye on the growing healthy snack marketI'm sure he's working on his own version of Wasabi Peas in anticipation of the war ending Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-934997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockworkorange Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Not heard a convincing argument either way. Feels a bit knee jerk. Pretty sure it will achieve little but to wind up/create more fundaMENTALISTS. 2 genuine questions1 - if Assad is obstructing a relative "peace" why has sas not "dealt" with him. ive read that rebels are too busy fighting him, so can't fight Isis. Get rid of Assad and rebels become allies against isli. 2- what are we (UK/the west) doing to fight the ideology both home and abroad. Read an article in the times about how academics in university are teaching all sorts of nonesense about Islam, prejudice against it in UK etc, sympathising for IS and giving it a basis in academia. No reference for this article sadly, but was pretty shocking to see what top u is are teaching. Key conclusion for that article was - fight ideology with better ideology! Anyway, hopefully some sensible discussion ensues.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 This part is hilarious....'Together with other documents obtained by the Guardian, it builds up a picture of a group that, although sworn to a founding principle of brutal violence, is equally set on more mundane matters such as health, education, commerce, communications and jobs'. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 uncleglen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> This part is hilarious....'Together with other> documents obtained by the Guardian, it builds up a> picture of a group that, although sworn to a> founding principle of brutal violence, is equally> set on more mundane matters such as health,> education, commerce, communications and jobs'.Hmmm. Might be "hilarious" but also just a tad worrying, I'd say. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 clockworkorange Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Not heard a convincing argument either way. Feels> a bit knee jerk. Pretty sure it will achieve> little but to wind up/create more fundaMENTALISTS.> > > 2 genuine questions> > 1 - if Assad is obstructing a relative "peace" why> has sas not "dealt" with him. ive read that rebels> are too busy fighting him, so can't fight Isis.> Get rid of Assad and rebels become allies against> isli. > > 2- what are we (UK/the west) doing to fight the> ideology both home and abroad. Read an article in> the times about how academics in university are> teaching all sorts of nonesense about Islam,> prejudice against it in UK etc, sympathising for> IS and giving it a basis in academia. > > No reference for this article sadly, but was> pretty shocking to see what top u is are teaching.> > > Key conclusion for that article was - fight> ideology with better ideology! > > Anyway, hopefully some sensible discussion> ensues....Assad would have been got rid of but One Ed Milliband wouldn't support Cameron ( for entirely political reasons) so no coalition was formed, Obama gave up an Assad remained. Universities stuffed with idiot lefties shocker Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 uncleglen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> This part is hilarious....'Together with other> documents obtained by the Guardian, it builds up a> picture of a group that, although sworn to a> founding principle of brutal violence, is equally> set on more mundane matters such as health,> education, commerce, communications and jobs'.I wonder whether the civil servants will get final year pensions... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 :)) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 ???? Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> clockworkorange Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Not heard a convincing argument either way.> Feels> > a bit knee jerk. Pretty sure it will achieve> > little but to wind up/create more> fundaMENTALISTS.> > > > > > 2 genuine questions> > > > 1 - if Assad is obstructing a relative "peace"> why> > has sas not "dealt" with him. ive read that> rebels> > are too busy fighting him, so can't fight Isis.> > Get rid of Assad and rebels become allies> against> > isli. > > > > 2- what are we (UK/the west) doing to fight the> > ideology both home and abroad. Read an article> in> > the times about how academics in university are> > teaching all sorts of nonesense about Islam,> > prejudice against it in UK etc, sympathising> for> > IS and giving it a basis in academia. > > > > No reference for this article sadly, but was> > pretty shocking to see what top u is are> teaching.> > > > > > Key conclusion for that article was - fight> > ideology with better ideology! > > > > Anyway, hopefully some sensible discussion> > ensues....> > > Assad would have been got rid of but One Ed> Milliband wouldn't support Cameron ( for entirely> political reasons) so no coalition was formed,> Obama gave up an Assad remained. > > Universities stuffed with idiot lefties shockerDidn't Cameron at this time want to fund and support a little known group of rebels that became Isis? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes he did.Half the problem is that the sands are always shifting (no pun intended) and it's hard for any party leader to navigate through that. That's why knee jerk reactions are never the right response. A lot of this also has to do with not letting Russia get a stronghold in the region as well.What frustrates me is that there are plenty of things that can be done to force the region to move towards stability. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are being allowed to do as they please, and in conflict to the wider pursuit of stability. But there is no political will to take either of those nations on. Turkey wants to become part of the EU as well - you have to be joking with the way they behave at present.I'd also like to know where a government that says welfare has to be cut by 12bn, suddenly finds 12bn to give to defence, on top of what will now be a higher bill for Trident. I think someone above did point that out, that we can find money to drop bombs, but we can't find money to keep the poorest and disabled away from destitution. That needs to be said more. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/85088-stop-the-war/page/4/#findComment-935947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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