Stop the War?

[Blah Blah]

:D

[spark67]

Bombing Doesn't seem to have worked in Iraq, Also I noticed Those on social media with a gun ho "bomb them" mentality are the same "close our borders to refugees" shouters....Do they not realise this creates more people fleeing now they are being bombed, shot at & terrorised from all sides ?

I marched against the Iraq war against Tony Blair, which is pretty much responsible for the mess the middle east is in today.

And believe me I'm as far from a "red flag waiving leftie" as you could be

[uncleglen]

El Presidente is right about ISIS who are behaving in a worse way than the Japanese in WW2 and look what happened to them.....

[Otta]

But ISIS haven't bombed Pearl Harbour

[DulwichFox]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> El Presidente is right about ISIS who are behaving

> in a worse way than the Japanese in WW2 and look

> what happened to them.....

Yep.. Japan.. Look what happened to them..

The economy of Japan is the third largest in the world..

They produce a large proportion of the worlds Motor Cycles.. Cars, Electronic goods, High end cameras, Camcorders,

Televisions, Videplayers .

Major Japanese electronics companies include

Canon, Casio, Citizen, Fujifilm, Fujitsu, Hitachi, JVC Kenwood,

Konica Minolta, Kyocera, Mitsubishi Electric, NEC, Nikon, Nintendo, Olympus, Panasonic, Pioneer, Ricoh,

Seiko Group, Sharp Corporation, Sony, TDK, Toshiba and Yamaha.

DulwichFox

[Jeremy]

Japanese electronics? Whatever next? World's gawn mad!

[uncleglen]

There you go then....there is hope for Syria....

[LadyNorwood]

And now this..... All this 'notinmyname' - well this is not in MY name..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12035552/Knifeman-screams-this-is-for-Syria-in-London-tube-machete-attack.html

[Seabag]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > El Presidente is right about ISIS who are

> behaving

> > in a worse way than the Japanese in WW2 and

> look

> > what happened to them.....

>

> Yep.. Japan.. Look what happened to them..

>

> The economy of Japan is the third largest in the

> world..

>

> They produce a large proportion of the worlds

> Motor Cycles.. Cars, Electronic goods, High end

> cameras, Camcorders,

> Televisions, Videplayers .

>

> Major Japanese electronics companies include

> Canon, Casio, Citizen, Fujifilm, Fujitsu, Hitachi,

> JVC Kenwood,

> Konica Minolta, Kyocera, Mitsubishi Electric, NEC,

> Nikon, Nintendo, Olympus, Panasonic, Pioneer,

> Ricoh,

> Seiko Group, Sharp Corporation, Sony, TDK, Toshiba

L

> and Yamaha.

>

> DulwichFox

You forgot to add Sushi and Sumo wrestling to your fantastic list

Wasn't Kato from Japan too

And Futons

[Blah Blah]

They also make excellent salted fish snacks :)

[Seabag]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> They also make excellent salted fish snacks :)

They do indeed Blah blah, I'm sure President Assad has his eye on the growing healthy snack market

I'm sure he's working on his own version of Wasabi Peas in anticipation of the war ending

[clockworkorange]

Not heard a convincing argument either way. Feels a bit knee jerk. Pretty sure it will achieve little but to wind up/create more fundaMENTALISTS.

2 genuine questions

1 - if Assad is obstructing a relative "peace" why has sas not "dealt" with him. ive read that rebels are too busy fighting him, so can't fight Isis. Get rid of Assad and rebels become allies against isli.

2- what are we (UK/the west) doing to fight the ideology both home and abroad. Read an article in the times about how academics in university are teaching all sorts of nonesense about Islam, prejudice against it in UK etc, sympathising for IS and giving it a basis in academia.

No reference for this article sadly, but was pretty shocking to see what top u is are teaching.

Key conclusion for that article was - fight ideology with better ideology!

Anyway, hopefully some sensible discussion ensues....

[Sue]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/leaked-isis-document-reveals-plan-building-state-syria

[uncleglen]

This part is hilarious....'Together with other documents obtained by the Guardian, it builds up a picture of a group that, although sworn to a founding principle of brutal violence, is equally set on more mundane matters such as health, education, commerce, communications and jobs'.

[Sue]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> This part is hilarious....'Together with other

> documents obtained by the Guardian, it builds up a

> picture of a group that, although sworn to a

> founding principle of brutal violence, is equally

> set on more mundane matters such as health,

> education, commerce, communications and jobs'.

Hmmm. Might be "hilarious" but also just a tad worrying, I'd say.

[????]

clockworkorange Wrote:

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> Not heard a convincing argument either way. Feels

> a bit knee jerk. Pretty sure it will achieve

> little but to wind up/create more fundaMENTALISTS.

>

>

> 2 genuine questions

>

> 1 - if Assad is obstructing a relative "peace" why

> has sas not "dealt" with him. ive read that rebels

> are too busy fighting him, so can't fight Isis.

> Get rid of Assad and rebels become allies against

> isli.

>

> 2- what are we (UK/the west) doing to fight the

> ideology both home and abroad. Read an article in

> the times about how academics in university are

> teaching all sorts of nonesense about Islam,

> prejudice against it in UK etc, sympathising for

> IS and giving it a basis in academia.

>

> No reference for this article sadly, but was

> pretty shocking to see what top u is are teaching.

>

>

> Key conclusion for that article was - fight

> ideology with better ideology!

>

> Anyway, hopefully some sensible discussion

> ensues....

Assad would have been got rid of but One Ed Milliband wouldn't support Cameron ( for entirely political reasons) so no coalition was formed, Obama gave up an Assad remained.

Universities stuffed with idiot lefties shocker

[Otta]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> This part is hilarious....'Together with other

> documents obtained by the Guardian, it builds up a

> picture of a group that, although sworn to a

> founding principle of brutal violence, is equally

> set on more mundane matters such as health,

> education, commerce, communications and jobs'.

I wonder whether the civil servants will get final year pensions...

[Sue]

:))

[ratty]

???? Wrote:

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> clockworkorange Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Not heard a convincing argument either way.

> Feels

> > a bit knee jerk. Pretty sure it will achieve

> > little but to wind up/create more

> fundaMENTALISTS.

> >

> >

> > 2 genuine questions

> >

> > 1 - if Assad is obstructing a relative "peace"

> why

> > has sas not "dealt" with him. ive read that

> rebels

> > are too busy fighting him, so can't fight Isis.

> > Get rid of Assad and rebels become allies

> against

> > isli.

> >

> > 2- what are we (UK/the west) doing to fight the

> > ideology both home and abroad. Read an article

> in

> > the times about how academics in university are

> > teaching all sorts of nonesense about Islam,

> > prejudice against it in UK etc, sympathising

> for

> > IS and giving it a basis in academia.

> >

> > No reference for this article sadly, but was

> > pretty shocking to see what top u is are

> teaching.

> >

> >

> > Key conclusion for that article was - fight

> > ideology with better ideology!

> >

> > Anyway, hopefully some sensible discussion

> > ensues....

>

>

> Assad would have been got rid of but One Ed

> Milliband wouldn't support Cameron ( for entirely

> political reasons) so no coalition was formed,

> Obama gave up an Assad remained.

>

> Universities stuffed with idiot lefties shocker

Didn't Cameron at this time want to fund and support a little known group of rebels that became Isis?

[Blah Blah]

Yes he did.

Half the problem is that the sands are always shifting (no pun intended) and it's hard for any party leader to navigate through that. That's why knee jerk reactions are never the right response. A lot of this also has to do with not letting Russia get a stronghold in the region as well.

What frustrates me is that there are plenty of things that can be done to force the region to move towards stability. Turkey and Saudi Arabia are being allowed to do as they please, and in conflict to the wider pursuit of stability. But there is no political will to take either of those nations on. Turkey wants to become part of the EU as well - you have to be joking with the way they behave at present.

I'd also like to know where a government that says welfare has to be cut by 12bn, suddenly finds 12bn to give to defence, on top of what will now be a higher bill for Trident. I think someone above did point that out, that we can find money to drop bombs, but we can't find money to keep the poorest and disabled away from destitution. That needs to be said more.