Donald Trump

[Otta]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> My only comfort is that its not

> enough support to actually win in the US.

Just hope there isn't a significant attack on U.S. soil (I mean something on Paris scale) as that could sway people towards him if they're suitably scared.

[Jah Lush]

What, like 9/11 Otta?

[Otta]

No, not like 9/11 (which was 14 years ago). Something like Paris which would whip things up NOW for him to jump on.

[Otta]

But if, God forbid, there was something on the scale of 9/11, then yes, I could see the biggest war monger getting voted in.

[Seabag]

Grok is Tarot Yes?

[uncleglen]

I saw the years of the links I put up and so what? Stuff just gets pushed out of sight- doesn't mean it's gone away. The fact that it was there in the first place is very disturbing.

I don't think anyone can be accused of xenophobia - phobia is a very strong word, the type of rhetoric used by the left to gag the masses, like the word 'racist', designed to make people who are suspicious, or careful, think there is something wrong with them...well I for one am extremely suspicious of an 'organisation', 'cult' or whatever , that has set up what is effectively a parallel society and made it abundantly clear that they think the way of life of the 'infidel' is inferior (and has been unashamedly courted by politicians of almost all persuasions).

Even some members the Muslim Council of GB, when asked for its opinion of the Charlie Hebdo murders, said they deplored the murders, but added the proviso that Charlie Hebdo shouldn't take the piss out of the prophet, or words to that effect.

[JohnL]

LondonMix Wrote:

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> Okay, because you think the police don't care

> about crime in poor areas (again, your assumption)

> from there you extrapolate that the areas have

> become so radicalized that the police won't go

> there?

>

> Is that the argument? Where in London are these

> terrorist radicalized areas that are no go areas

> for the police?

>

I do remember this video doing the rounds (immigration officers

in Rye Lane) provoking the notion Rye Lane is no go for some reason

(look at the comments).

The Rye Lane I know is nothing like that of course - If I dropped

a cigarette there I'd be pulled :).

[Sue]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Even some members the Muslim Council of GB, when

> asked for its opinion of the Charlie Hebdo

> murders, said they deplored the murders, but added

> the proviso that Charlie Hebdo shouldn't take the

> piss out of the prophet, or words to that effect.

I haven't read all this thread, I'm just idly browsing before bed. so I'm sorry to jump in.

I obviously don't condone the Charlie Hebdo murders, but in my opinion the cartoonists were poking a bear with a stick.

The nature of how Muslims/Mohammed were portrayed in the cartoons was compared by many to the portrayal of Jews in cartoons in Germany before and during the war.

If that comment isn't relevant then please ignore, I don't want to send the thread off course.

[uncleglen]

Charlie Hebdo has poked fun at Judaism and Christianity as well- the Pope has particularly been hard hit and France is a catholic country -in fact ever since I can remember there have been jokes poking fun at religion...primarily because it is a load of twaddle designed to control people and deserves to be ridiculed at every opportunity...

I'm not surprised that a quarter of Brits (in fact I'm surprised it isn't more people)agree with Trump's views on this. And exactly who compared the cartoons to Jews in cartoons before the war?...the caricatures of everyone are well known- everyone is lampooned and it is funny...comparing Islam to the Spanish Inquisition would not be far from the truth.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The Charlie Hebdo cartoons weren't particularly clever or funny. The problem with freedom of speech however is that you sometimes have to defend the crap as vehemently as the worthwhile stuff.

[LondonMix]

I don't think there is anything wrong with Muslim leaders condemning the violence of the Charlie Hebdo murders while saying that the cartoons were offensive.

You can think something is wrong (and people often do) without condoning violence. In fact, unless I missed something, I don't think they were suggesting that it should be illegal to make fun of the profit, but just that they think its wrong and offensive. People say they are offended by things other people do all the time so I'm not really sure what your point on that is.

[Otta]

What LondonMix said.

[Loz]

Otta Wrote:

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> What LondonMix said.

... though with the amusing typo fixed.

[uncleglen]

I don't think they find cartoons only 'offensive'.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/016-insulters-islam.htm

And in Poland you can be jailed under article 196 of their Penal Code for public calumny of religious objects.

Humanity will never move on and get out of the mire of state sanctioned persecution of atheism at this rate

[Blah Blah]

Whatever the rights or wrongs of cartoonists, they don't deserve to die for it. I think everyone can agree with that.

[Earl Aelfheah]

That's a rather outlandish position.

[Alan Medic]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> I don't think they find cartoons only 'offensive'.

>

> http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/016-insult

> ers-islam.htm

> And in Poland you can be jailed under article 196

> of their Penal Code for public calumny of

> religious objects.

> Humanity will never move on and get out of the

> mire of state sanctioned persecution of atheism at

> this rate

Try the Bible for size. This is what it says about women:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible7.htm

[uncleglen]

Yes but most right minded people today in the UK do not live by that shyte or legislate to enforce it

[WorkingMummy]

Has anyone else seen this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c2DgwPG7mAA

I can't begin to unpack it. The layers of self-reference and narcissism are obviously plastered on extremely thickly. But I can't see what Trump thinks would be funny about it.

Just, can't, compute.

[LondonMix]

And what makes you think that must Muslims in Britain do? That wasn't the position taken by those you were accusing of defending the Charlie H murders.

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Yes but most right minded people today in the UK

> do not live by that shyte or legislate to enforce

> it

[Grok]

Amazing how people change their tune about 'culture', and following 'UK norms' over in the Hitting a kid thread in the main section compared to this thread. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Otta]

When talking about the very specific issue of beating children, or indeed FGM, yes you can expect people to behave in a way that the law in the country they live in would expect.

That's pretty different from expecting people to just leave their culture behind and fit in with "our" ways.

As well I am sure you realise.

Unless you're a complete idiot.

[Grok]

Otta Wrote:

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> or indeed FGM, yes you can

> expect people to behave in a way that the law in

> the country they live in would expect

Where are the convictions?

>

>

> That's pretty different from expecting people to

> just leave their culture behind and fit in with

> "our" ways.

>

Er, its related to Sharia law discussion above, and denial these things take place.

Unless youre a complete idiot.

[Jah Lush]

Grok Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

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> > or indeed FGM, yes you can

> > expect people to behave in a way that the law

> in

> > the country they live in would expect

>

> Where are the convictions?

> >

> >

> > That's pretty different from expecting people

> to

> > just leave their culture behind and fit in with

> > "our" ways.

> >

> Er, its related to Sharia law discussion above,

> and denial these things take place.

>

> Unless youre a complete idiot.

Which you clearly are.

[Grok]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Grok Wrote:

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> > Otta Wrote:

> >

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>

> > -----

> > > or indeed FGM, yes you can

> > > expect people to behave in a way that the law

> > in

> > > the country they live in would expect

> >

> > Where are the convictions?

> > >

> > >

> > > That's pretty different from expecting people

> > to

> > > just leave their culture behind and fit in

> with

> > > "our" ways.

> > >

> > Er, its related to Sharia law discussion above,

> > and denial these things take place.

> >

> > Unless youre a complete idiot.

>

> Which you clearly are. *hic*