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messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by panda boy 18 February, 2016 12:07

Sue -

Much as i'm trying to avoid this thread now and focus on the cemetery issues on the new thread, I have to ask, did you mean this to come across as incredibly offensive?

> The youtube link on the cemetery thread shows someone purporting to be Blanche Cameron (but apparently a woman)

Unless i've misunderstood, what exactly do you mean by this?

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by panda boy 18 February, 2016 12:27

dbboy

I feel compelled to try and answer some of your questions, to the best of my knowledge.

> i). So why does Lewis never sign any letters?
No idea. Why is this important to you?

> ii). What is the connection between Blanche
> Cameron and Lewis?
As far as I'm aware they are both members of SSW. As far as I understand it Blanche Cameron was one of a number of people who started and continue to maintain the group.

> iii). Who posts on their website and is doing
> their planning?
I don't know, again why is this important?

> iv). Who is the person actually doing the comedic
> turns?
No idea. I would imagine a comedian. As one trying to focus on the cemetery issues, comedic turns are irrelevant to me unless you can explain how they are relevant to Southwarks cemetery strategy.

> v). How are Resonance FM implicated in this?
'Implicated' in what exactly? Can you give some more detail as to what you are alluding to? Do you mean 'involved'? If so, I don't know, never heard of them.

> vi). Does Nunhead American radio actually exist?
As far as I know yes it does. You're clearly familiar with the internet, you could have a look on it.

> vii). Why is everything posted with Lewis's name?
What do you mean by 'everything'? As far as I can see only the posts from Lewis were signed from Lewis.

> viii). Is this his way of gaining publicity for
> his personal promotion?
Maybe. Maybe not.

> viiii). If you had signed a petition or donated
> money, would you now feel conned?
No. Not one bit. Why would I feel conned?

> x) If you have donated money where has the money
> gone/been spent and accounted for?
Send this question to SSW, i'm sure they're best placed to answer this. I do know that funds were needed for publicity and getting legal advice. Funny how you appear more concerned with how a local protest group manages it's donations rather than Southwark councils accounting abilities with public funds and the fact they have advised me to raise an FOI request to find out more about costings for this project. Not very transparent.

> xi). How has he maintained the american accent if
> he is from Birmingham?
I simply cannot take this question seriously. Are you're suggesting people form Birmingham are crap at accents??

> xii). Has a fraud been committed?
You may need to add a bit more flesh to this particularly thin and potentially libellous bone. What fraud are you suggesting has been committed and by whom?

A discussion into Southwarks cemetery plans, how they have and are conducting themselves and general opinion both for and against can be found here;
[www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]
All welcome.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Sue 18 February, 2016 15:43

Otta Wrote:
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> Another tweet from Lewis this morning (an hour
> ago) asking Sue (full name) who arranges folk gigs
> via Goose is out, why she's at war with SSW.
>
> That's just taking the piss.


Otta, please can you not mention any further such tweets on here.

I had seen it and intended to ignore it, as I intend to do in future.

Lewis Schaffer, or whoever he is, judging by these tweets and many of his posts on this forum, is clearly a sad aggressive bully. I am only glad that I'm not like that, as it must be an awful thing to be him.

In my experience bullies are very unhappy people. And it was interesting that one of his mates (or possibly him, of course) accused me further up the thread of bullying Lewis, as that is another common tactic of bullies.

Anybody who knows Nygel and myself will be well aware that we love woods, trees and nature, so frankly he is shooting himself in the foot by these tweets.

Edited to add "judging by these tweets and many of his posts on this forum." Maybe he is sweetness and light at all other times.



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messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Sue 18 February, 2016 15:47

panda boy Wrote:
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> Sue -
>
> Much as i'm trying to avoid this thread now and
> focus on the cemetery issues on the new thread, I
> have to ask, did you mean this to come across as
> incredibly offensive?
>
> > The youtube link on the cemetery thread shows
> someone purporting to be Blanche Cameron (but
> apparently a woman)
>
> Unless i've misunderstood, what exactly do you
> mean by this?


Because Lewis Schaffer appears to have at least one alter ego, it was possible that Blanche Cameron was one of them.

As I said, on the clip she was apparently a woman.

If your issue is with the word "apparently", I can only say that it is relatively easy for a man to quite credibly imitate a woman, and vice versa.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by panda boy 18 February, 2016 15:57

Sue,
I can categorically tell you the video you are referring to is most certainly of Blanche Cameron. She is a real (and very decent) person, and in no way an alter ego / pseudonym / familiar / disguised version of Lewis Schaffer.

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Posted by Administrator 18 February, 2016 16:51

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messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Sue 18 February, 2016 17:16

panda boy Wrote:
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> Sue,
> I can categorically tell you the video you are
> referring to is most certainly of Blanche Cameron.
> She is a real (and very decent) person, and in no
> way an alter ego / pseudonym / familiar /
> disguised version of Lewis Schaffer.


As I thought I had made clear, it was BEFORE I saw the video clip that I thought Blanche Cameron might be an alter ego of Lewis Schaffer.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by panda boy 18 February, 2016 17:32

Ok sue, I am not trying to have an argument, just clear up any confusion.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by edcam 18 February, 2016 18:23

Possibly the most tiresome thread in recent memory. A few people have shown their true colours and it isn't pretty.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Me! Me! Me! 18 February, 2016 23:03

And, to imagine ALL this could have been avoided years ago had Southwark Council properly re-appropriated for the purpose acres of unused designated Southward owned burial ground that is the adjacent land to Camberwell New Cemetery that has been to all intents and purposes GIVEN gratis to the LB of Lewisham as a play field. How dare Southwark Council give away land belonging to the people of Southwark to another borough.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Sue 19 February, 2016 11:02

edcam Wrote:
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> Possibly the most tiresome thread in recent
> memory. A few people have shown their true
> colours and it isn't pretty.


Interesting. As we're now in the lounge, I'm wondering how you define and assess "true colours"?

People are quite complex and show different sides of themselves depending on the situation.

In fact, mulling this puzzle over this morning, I went back and altered one of my posts to add "judging by his tweets and many of his posts on this forum", as the person in question may well be a cuddly ray of sunshine except when he is posting on here and tweeting big grin

A quick google came up with

"someone's true colors. the ​kind of ​person someone really is ​rather than what the ​person ​seems to be: I ​thought he was a really ​sweet ​guy, but then he got ​mad and ​showed his true ​colors. "

The question is, what exactly is the kind of person someone really is? Which are his/her "true colours"? The "really sweet" part, or the "getting mad" part?

What if somebody who was usually really bad tempered and grumpy suddenly unexpectedly did something really kind and helpful? Would that be "showing his true colours", or do "true colours" only apply to the bad stuff (however you choose to define "bad")?

And apart from that, I'm wondering who these "few people" you refer to are, and how you feel they have "shown their true colours and it isn't pretty".



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messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Sue 19 February, 2016 11:03

Me! Me! Me! Wrote:
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> And, to imagine ALL this could have been avoided
> years ago had Southwark Council properly
> re-appropriated for the purpose acres of unused
> designated Southward owned burial ground that is
> the adjacent land to Camberwell New Cemetery that
> has been to all intents and purposes GIVEN gratis
> to the LB of Lewisham as a play field. How dare
> Southwark Council give away land belonging to the
> people of Southwark to another borough.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought from what had been previously posted on here somewhere that this was always intended to be a temporary measure, and the land has not been permanently given away?

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by HopOne 19 February, 2016 15:47

Check out languagelounger's post here (23/02/11 13:42), it is rather enlightening:
[www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Me! Me! Me! 19 February, 2016 16:00

Like Squatters Rights where squatters can (or, used to be able to) own a property after so many years of squatting residency sees "Temporary" for the LB Southwark re said Camberwell New Cemetery land (Recreation ground) probably means Southwark has forever 'queered its pitch' (pardon the pun) as Lewisham being the land-grabbing squatter has pretty much been allowed to appropriate said unused Southwark burial patch for so long. 'Temporary' as applied to that particular piece of Southwark people's designated burial land appears to imply Lewisham gamesters and dog-poo people can have the land 'Forever'.



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messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Loz 19 February, 2016 16:23

Between Honor Oak and the Judith Kerr school "playing fields", organisations will soon be learning NOT to let anything be used for a 'temporary' purpose. It just causes later anguish.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by edhistory 19 February, 2016 19:05

HopOne Wrote:
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> Check out languagelounger's post here (23/02/11
> 13:42), it is rather enlightening:
> [www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk]
> 0,645329,645338

In what sense is this enlightening?

John K

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by panda boy 19 February, 2016 19:27

Hi John K,
I find it illuminating as it provides some long term context into Southwarks 'cemetery strategy'.

The Honor Oak Rec Ground issue provoked public opinion against the plans, and Southwark backed down.

It is worth nothing that the current plans for Camberwell Old and New cemeteries have gained significantly more public reaction against them, yet Southwark are pretty much ignoring it this time and pushing the plans through regardless.

One example is the planning permissions, which they applied to themselves for and were unsurprisingly granted. This process took a matter of weeks, which is highly unusual (and I think suspicious) for a planning application with a significant amount of public opinion against to be granted so quickly.

This is just one aspect of this issue which results in me being less than satisfied with Southwarks conduct in handling this.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by edhistory 19 February, 2016 19:56

Panda Boy,

The long term context was set at the end of the nineteenth century.

Was it Lewisham residents who provided public opinion against the plans for Southwark to use the burial ground provided with foresight by Camberwell Vestry/Council?

Any sense that the SSW petition was an honest and informed is now in doubt.

John K

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Me! Me! Me! 19 February, 2016 20:20

Given present urgent need for Southwark burial space which was always readily available within Camberwell New Cemetery's ample 'over-the-cemetery-fence-spill-over-space-recreation-ground' and not utilised for its purpose for decades - there has to be suspicions (does there not?) of possible dirty dealings that may be dug up from Southwark/Lewisham data files that reference the two councils understanding about plans for that 'shared' Southwark burial acreage. Southwark, despite urgent space needed for interring, would seem to be deterred from using Rec space for easily available interments. And, another question - Has the Rec ground been historically or latterly listed as Holy Ground? I.e. sanctified as burial land as any cemetery space is? If so, why are dogs pooing and ruffians running amok on that 'last resting place land'? Meantime, Camberwell Old and New Cemeteries thought to be overfilled many times over are now unnecessarily being poked, prodded and dug about for evermore 'reusable-refusable-disusable-six-food-under-nook-&-cranny-last-homes-for-the-dead'.

Disgraceful!



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messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by panda boy 20 February, 2016 07:26

> The long term context was set at the end of the
> nineteenth century.
Eh? How so? How does the 19th century relate to what's happening now?

> Was it Lewisham residents who provided public
> opinion against the plans for Southwark to use the
> burial ground provided with foresight by
> Camberwell Vestry/Council?
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I understand the question or it's relevance.

> Any sense that the SSW petition was an honest and
> informed is now in doubt.
I could say exactly the same thing about Southwark councils conduct.
To make such a broad and sweeping statement, you really should add some detail.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Sue 01 March, 2016 10:48


messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by farfisamania 26 April, 2016 17:40

> Fair point, my mistake. I also believe it was a
> council officer and not an elected councillor.

Although somewhat ironically, given the above confusion, the ex-employee Southwark took to court is currently a UKIP councillor in Thanet.

messageRe: New opportunity to save the woods!! Deadline Friday 23rd
Posted by Buxton Spring June 23, 05:26PM

thats Labour for you

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