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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge 16 October, 2018 17:57

Translation: It won't be long before Brexiteers blame it on the Boogie...smiling smiley

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JoeLeg 16 October, 2018 20:58

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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by dbboy 16 October, 2018 22:55

To put it simply, the people chose and from watching the last two years got it seriously wrong, that's my opinion.
I may be right, I may be wrong, only time will tell, BUT like it or not, the Government is following through on the will of the people. Strangely the UK wasted two years dithering and since Davis and co, quit, it's become a different story. Now don't get me wrong, we are in one heck of a mess, between now and March 2019, it is only going to get worse and worse, and then for the next two years UK plc will not be out of the woods either.

The people made a choice, and that was probably hugely influenced by the issue of immigration, now you have to live with the consequences of June 2016. Why do you think Cameron chucked in the towel, he realised how difficult life in No.10 was about to become and May picked up the poison chalice. How does it effect every household in the UK, with prices slowly but surely continually increasing, so it hits us all in the pocket. Chuck in austerity their for good measure.

Europe is laughing at the UK and rightly so, and guess what, they will continue to do so until this sorry mess is sorted out.

Everyday the news feed continues to be about Brexit, how about the decisions and news about other issues that are quietly going unreported, a great time to push out bad news, because no one is watching. The state marches on.

There even comes a time, when you have to think, will life in a European country be better than life here post Brexit, don't know, but its worth thinking about and even giving it a punt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet those who came here after the Second World War and worked all their lives in and for this country must be wondering, was it worth it with the way UK plc wants to turn its back on Europe, because it wants its freedom and independence. Where have we heard that before???

And the only good news, well bless my soul, Harry (the non Royal) gets Meghan up the duff and we've got to pay for that one as well, another sponger on the state to be paid for, you really couldn't make it up if you tried. Well you could, but that's the UK plc in the 21st Century, nearly alone, nearly outcast and nearly bust.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by keano77 17 October, 2018 00:50

Cheer up dbboy, things arenít that bad.

You mentioned

ď...Europe is laughing at the UK and rightly so, and guess what, they will continue to do so until this sorry mess is sorted out...Ē

Three points here:

Literature often portrays people who laugh at fools as the foolish ones - the fool is the one with wisdom.

An example of the above is the (preposterous, totally unacceptable) back up to the back up in perpetuity/ border in the Irish Sea. If the EU doesnít drop this absurd demand thereíll be a no-deal and guess what - the hard border they are pretending to prevent will then necessarily have to be imposed by the EU. Makes Shakespeareís Feste in Twelfth Night look like the wise King Solomon.

Itís not in the EUís interest to sort this out favourably or otherwise. They want to keep us tied (kerching kerching) otherwise the house of cards will fall. Italexit anyone?



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Alan Medic 17 October, 2018 07:05

keano77 Wrote:
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>
> An example of the above is the (preposterous,
> totally unacceptable) back up to the back up in
> perpetuity/ border in the Irish Sea. If the EU
> doesnít drop this absurd demand thereíll be a
> no-deal and guess what - the hard border they are
> pretending to prevent will then necessarily have
> to be imposed by the EU. Makes Shakespeareís Feste
> in Twelfth Night look like the wise King Solomon.

Guess you'd be suprised then if the backstop to the backstop was a UK idea.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 17 October, 2018 09:56

"The Prime Minister will once again be barred from the main discussion of Brexit at the summit, and will have to address the 27 leaders ahead of their dinner in a separate room."

When I quoted the above I thought the "their dinner" was a typo.

It's not - she isn't allowed to have dinner with the rest - she has to give her presentation and head off (to the servants quarters for some sandwiches maybe).

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 17 October, 2018 10:06

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> keano77 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
> >
> > An example of the above is the (preposterous,
> > totally unacceptable) back up to the back up in
> > perpetuity/ border in the Irish Sea. If the EU
> > doesnít drop this absurd demand thereíll be a
> > no-deal and guess what - the hard border they
> are
> > pretending to prevent will then necessarily
> have
> > to be imposed by the EU. Makes Shakespeareís
> Feste
> > in Twelfth Night look like the wise King
> Solomon.
>
> Guess you'd be suprised then if the backstop to
> the backstop was a UK idea.


She aigned that backstop proposal back in December when she was desperate to move on to "Phase 2" of the talks remember. Everybody at the time said it was a huge fudge and guess what ? If you sign something then it's in the agreement and that's what the EU are saying.

I also notice Spreadsheet Phil has said in the event of a "No Deal" we still have to pay 30 Billion of the 39 Billion divorce bill.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge 17 October, 2018 16:51

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> Guess you'd be suprised then if the backstop to
> the backstop was a UK idea.

Never fear, Kate Hoey's here!
Her solution is for Ireland to give up it's sovereignty and become a British colony...

If a backstop is such a good idea to sort the border issue why do we not go for a backstop around the entire British Isles then Irish Republic can be part of it too

A sort of reverse Brexit (Irexit) to achieve Brexit.
Yep, she's as thick as she looks...smiling smiley

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JoeLeg 17 October, 2018 18:50

I really try hard not to actively hate people, as itís such a waste of energy, but Kate Hoey is such an unpleasant individual, actively abusing her position, that she really makes me fume.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by rendelharris 17 October, 2018 19:25

JoeLeg Wrote:
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> I really try hard not to actively hate people, as
> itís such a waste of energy, but Kate Hoey is such
> an unpleasant individual, actively abusing her
> position, that she really makes me fume.

Just give her your contempt - one of my favourite quotes from Casablanca: "You despise me, don't you Rick?" "Well I probably would if I gave it any thought."

She is a pretty unpleasant character though I agree, a bigoted right-wing libertarian somehow still hypocritically drawing down a very nice wage as a Labour MP.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by keano77 17 October, 2018 22:18

rendelharris Wrote:
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> JoeLeg Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I really try hard not to actively hate people,
> as
> > itís such a waste of energy, but Kate Hoey is
> such
> > an unpleasant individual, actively abusing her
> > position, that she really makes me fume.
>
> Just give her your contempt - one of my favourite
> quotes from Casablanca: "You despise me, don't you
> Rick?" "Well I probably would if I gave it any
> thought."
>
> She is a pretty unpleasant character though I
> agree, a bigoted right-wing libertarian somehow
> still hypocritically drawing down a very nice wage
> as a Labour MP.

Please explain further, why is she unpleasant etc?

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by dbboy 17 October, 2018 22:44

how can she be right wing in a Party, that is by all intents and purpose the most left wing its ever been, and probably verging on being Marxist and communist with Momentum, if that is actually possible with Mcdonnel and Corbyn.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JoeLeg 17 October, 2018 23:03

keano77 Wrote:
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> rendelharris Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> > She is a pretty unpleasant character though I
> > agree, a bigoted right-wing libertarian somehow
> > still hypocritically drawing down a very nice
> wage
> > as a Labour MP.
>
> Please explain further, why is she unpleasant etc?


Speaking for myself, my biggest problem with her is that she has loudly and vitriolicly decried any Remain supporting Labour MP representing a Leave constituency that even thought about opposing Brexit, while she herself represents an area that voted Remain but she feels free to ignore her own constituents.

She is a hypocrite of the highest order. She has no desire to win consensus, she is an example of those left-wingers who think that because they are left-wing they couldnít possibly be autocratic or dictatorial. She routinely ignores those who voted for her and is only interested in pursuing a hard Brexit. At least Frank Field has some honour, Hoey cares only for herself. If she had any honour she would resign the Labour whip, force and by-election and stand as an independent and see if they really want her, but she likes the power too much (though nothing new there with politicians).

She is also not particularly gay-friendly, which is abhorrent in this day and age. She only voted in favour of same sex marriage because it wouldíve been political suicode not to. Ask Stonewall what they think of her if you donít believe me...just one of several outdated attitudes she holds.

There are many honourable Labour MPís who support Brexit that are trying to build consensus and work towards a solution for the whole nation. She is not one of them.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge 18 October, 2018 11:48

David Allen Green right on the money again about Brexiter's hypocrisy...

Pro-Brexit politicians who say UK voters must be held to their decision in the 2016 referendum say..

..that they themselves should not be held to their decisions to accept the backstop in December 2017 and March 2018 because they were "misled".

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 18 October, 2018 13:37

I feel really down about Brexit today. Theresa May being more or less ignored brings home what the future of this country is likely to be, UK flag removed from the EU ones in Brussels (I think - I looked for it), French Minister replying "well you voted for it" when the word "blockade" is mentioned, BBC interviewing only hard leavers.

It's as if we're being prepared for wartime conditions.

The march on Saturday will be ignored by the media even if we get 200,000.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by edcam 18 October, 2018 14:16

Same JohnL. The potential for disaster seems to grow every day.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge 18 October, 2018 15:24

No one is happy after yesterday.
Brexiteers not happy with extending transition...Booooo!
Remainers not happy with Raab's 'meaningful vote' letter...Booooo!
EU not happy with Gov's lack of progress...Booooo!
Oh, and BSE is back...Moooooo!

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by robbin 18 October, 2018 18:33

dbboy wrote

"...How does it effect every household in the UK, with prices slowly but surely continually increasing, so it hits us all in the pocket...."

Funny you should write this just the day after the widely publicised much greater drop in inflation than anyone was expecting!!

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by robbin 18 October, 2018 18:37

Here you go - the FT (but it was all over the news the last day or two!)

[www.ft.com]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by uncleglen 18 October, 2018 18:41

edcam Wrote:
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> Same JohnL. The potential for disaster seems to
> grow every day.

for goodness' sake....the fact that the EU gave Turkey a loan to TAKE the Southampton Transit factory and the fact that the ECHR deemed a RAPE conviction with 8 years in jail in Romania not serious enough to deport a Romanian from the UK after he was caught drink driving (potential murderer in my book). The FACT that a Latvian builder who had killed his wife and served time in Latvia somehow came backwards and forwards to the UK 7 times and then he murdered a 15 year old schoolgirl.....these things are DISASTERS -

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by robbin 18 October, 2018 18:42

UK's HICP is pretty similar to Germany, slightly lower than France, a fair bit lower than Belgiuum, slightly higher than Spain, almost one tenth the rate in Turkey (now you would be entitled to whinge about inflation if you were there!). So, I'm not following your point about the sky falling in with grinding inflation caused by Brexit. Care to elaborate?

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JoeLeg 18 October, 2018 18:45

uncleglen Wrote:
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> edcam Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Same JohnL. The potential for disaster seems
> to
> > grow every day.
>
> for goodness' sake....the fact that the EU gave
> Turkey a loan to TAKE the Southampton Transit
> factory and the fact that the ECHR deemed a RAPE
> conviction with 8 years in jail in Romania not
> serious enough to deport a Romanian from the UK
> after he was caught drink driving (potential
> murderer in my book). The FACT that a Latvian
> builder who had killed his wife and served time in
> Latvia somehow came backwards and forwards to the
> UK 7 times and then he murdered a 15 year old
> schoolgirl.....these things are DISASTERS -


You really donít like answering direct questions, do you?

All you care about is digging up anything which supports your racism.

Iím pretty sure we could find similar cases involving British citizens, both here and abroad, but that doesnít fit your narrative.



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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 18 October, 2018 22:12

LOL that Raheem Kassam from UKIP replied to one of my tweets, just one - got about 1000 comments from leavers - blocked the worst - leave me alone please you crazies. I actually said come to Peckham Rye - they won't smiling smiley

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Alan Medic 19 October, 2018 08:17

Robert Peston's take on May's last chance from what he calls 'well-placed sources'.



Robert Peston
11 hrs ∑
Facebook Creator

Hello from Brussels and the EU Council that promised a Brexit breakthrough and delivered nothing.
So on the basis of conversations with well placed sources, this is how I think the Brexit talks are placed (WARNING: if you are fearful of a no-deal Brexit, or are of a nervous disposition, stop reading now).
1) Forget about having any clue when we leave about the nature and structure of the UKís future trading relationship with the EU. The government heads of the EU27 have rejected Chequers. Wholesale. And they regard it as far too late to put in place the building blocks of that future relationship before we leave on 29 March 2019. So any Political Declaration on the future relationship will be waffly, vague and general. It will be what so many MPs detest: a blind Brexit. The PM may say that wonít happen. No one here (except perhaps her own Downing St team) believes her.
2) The earliest date for a deal on Brexit terms - that vacuous Political Declaration and the Withdrawal Agreement - is now the Council in mid December. But even that date may prove too challenging.
3) The gulf between the EU27 and May, as you know, is over how to keep open the Northern Ireland border. There is no chance of the EU abandoning its insistence that there should be a backstop - with no expiry date - of Northern Ireland, but not Great Britain, remaining in the Customs Union and the single market. That would involve the introduction of the commercial border in the Irish Sea that May says must never be drawn.
4) All efforts therefore from the UK are aimed at putting in place other arrangements to make it impossible for that backstop to be introduced.
5) Her ruse for doing this is the creation of another backstop that would involve the whole of the UK staying in something that looks like the customs union.
6) But she feels cannot commit to keeping the UK in the customs union forever, because her Brexiter MPs wonít let her. So it does not work as a backstop. And anyway the Article 50 rules say that the Withdrawal Agreement must not contain provisions for a permanent trading relationship between the whole of the UK and the EU. Which is a hideous Catch 22.
7) There is a solution. She could ignore her Brexiter critics and announce the UK wanted written into the Political Declaration - as opposed to the Withdrawal Agreement - that we would be staying permanently in the customs union. This is one bit of specificity the rest of the EU would allow into the Political Declaration. And it could be nodded at in the Withdrawal Agreement.
8) But if she announces we are staying in the Customs Union she would be crossing her reddest of red lines because she would have to abandon her ambition of negotiating free trade deals with non-EU countries. Liam Fox would be made redundant.
9) She knows, because her Brexit negotiator Olly Robbins has told her, that her best chance - probably her only chance of securing a Brexit deal - is to sign up for the customs union.
10) In its absence, no-deal Brexit is massively in play.
11) But a customs-union Brexit deal would see her Brexiter MPs become incandescent with fury.
12)Labour of course would be on the spot, since its one practical Brexit policy is to stay in the Customs Union.
13) This therefore is Mayís Robert Peel moment. She could agree a Customs Union Brexit and get it through Parliament with Labour support - while simultaneously cleaving her own party in two.
14) It is a Customs Union Brexit, or leave the EU without a deal.
15) Which will May choose? Ultimately this is her choice, and hers alone. It is her moment in history.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 19 October, 2018 10:59

Re: Point 7

She's told Leo Varadkar that she is up for a customs union backstop with no time limit - of course that contradicts other statements by her - but that's Mayism smiling smiley

[www.politico.eu]

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 19 October, 2018 11:19

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> 15) Which will May choose? Ultimately this is her
> choice, and hers alone. It is her moment in
> history.

I want one May-ment in time
When I'm more than I thought I could be
When all of my dreams are a heartbeat away
And the answers are all up to meÖ

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by diable rouge 19 October, 2018 11:25

May's game plan all along has been contradictory fudge to appease all the varying factions, but with the transition extension she's managed to upset both sides. Up to now her Get Out of Jail card has been that no one wants to be leader until after Brexit, but with David Mince for Brains Davis openly saying certain Cabinet ministers should reign and talk of him being an interim leader, she may not be making that choice...

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Alan Medic 19 October, 2018 13:00

If there was a challenge to her leadership (I believe 44 out of the required 48 letters have been delivered), she wouldn't stand down. Who could beat her? I think the party is so split between no deal brexiteers, brexiteers who want a deal and remainers or those who want another referendum, she might win it almost by default.

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by JohnL 19 October, 2018 13:09

Pochettino dives in with his take which is far to sensible smiling smiley

'ďAfter two and a half years, I still donít know if it will be good or bad [for English football],Ē Pochettino said. ďFor me, itís about applying common sense. If the politicians now realise it [Brexit] will be tough and it will be bad for England, why not go back and explain, ĎThis is what is going to happen to us?í

ďIf not, itís like doing nothing when you are going to crash [your car]. If Iím going to crash but Jesus [Perez, Tottenham assistant manager] is saying come on, come on, push, faster... No! Stop!'

messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Alan Medic 20 October, 2018 10:33

Someone really wants to 'chuck chequers'.

[www.parliament.uk]

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