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messageRe: Brexit View
Posted by Angelina 14 November, 2018 12:51

yes a sort of "Leave means Leave not Stay and Worse than Before" protest.

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Posted by diable rouge 14 November, 2018 14:37

Something to lighten the mood, BBC Director and anti-Brexit protester go head to head smiling smiley... [twitter.com]

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Posted by JohnL 14 November, 2018 14:42

diable rouge Wrote:
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> Something to lighten the mood, BBC Director and
> anti-Brexit protester go head to head smiling smiley...
> [twitter.com]
> 49749708800


LOL Sodem - One day they'll have tech to delete him from shot in real time (and that'll be a bad day)

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Posted by diable rouge 14 November, 2018 14:42

JohnL Wrote:
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> I bet Theresa May has something up her sleeve -
> she may be really bad at some things but she's
> always been good at finding ways of getting things
> through parliament using every trick in the book.

I reckon she'll use the ticking clock a lot, already has form for that, and is even doing it with her own Cabinet today. Having first seen the WA late last night, a document which by all accounts is 500 pages long, and very, very, detailed, they are expected to give a verdict on it this afternoon. Last December they couldn't even decipher a couple of A4s, which brought about the problematic issue of the Irish backstop. Expect it will go through with little fuss, then it will be interesting to see how May sells it to her party (and some Labour MPs in Leave seats). The obvious line will be the threat of No Deal, but that doesn't cut it with the ERG and DUP, or even Labour rebels like Hoey, who being Brexit ideologues would actually prefer that...

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Posted by dbboy 14 November, 2018 16:08

What's the betting that if the Govt No deals on Brexit, the cost of the weekly shop will rocket in price as soon as it is announced or possibly from 1st April next year?

Has anyone bought additional non perishable items as a precaution (especially those that are imported into the UK from the continent/EU?

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Posted by robbin 14 November, 2018 17:27

No. Frankly if anybody were to be as neurotic as that, they should see a doctor and get some medication for their condition.

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Posted by JohnL 14 November, 2018 17:50

There's a really lonely microphone sitting outside No10 waiting for Theresa May.

But looks like she's not coming.

edit: now she is coming - typical theresa may organisation. If she resigned she'd screw up her resignation speech.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit was 2018:11:14:17:54:24 by JohnL.

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Posted by rendelharris 14 November, 2018 19:06

robbin Wrote:
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> No. Frankly if anybody were to be as neurotic as
> that, they should see a doctor and get some
> medication for their condition.

But get it quick as the stockpiles the government (the government, robbin, not scaremongering lefty Remoaners!) have told the pharmaceutical companies to create won't last forever...
[www.independent.co.uk]

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Posted by diable rouge 14 November, 2018 21:25

Happy bedtime reading everyone... [ec.europa.eu]

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Posted by Alan Medic 15 November, 2018 07:13

robbin Wrote:
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> No. Frankly if anybody were to be as neurotic as
> that, they should see a doctor and get some
> medication for their condition.

Good reminder to stock up on medication folks.

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Posted by Alan Medic 15 November, 2018 07:22

I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd option for the first time, remain in the EU. A tactic no doubt though still a possibility. I wonder how many additional letters of no confidence in her will be written as a result of this. Even if there was a vote, she could win it as what other options are there?

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Posted by Alan Medic 15 November, 2018 07:55

If the WA is voted down in the HOC, what's next? Anyone?

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Posted by nxjen 15 November, 2018 08:13

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd
> option for the first time, remain in the EU. A
> tactic no doubt though still a possibility. I
> wonder how many additional letters of no
> confidence in her will be written as a result of
> this. Even if there was a vote, she could win it
> as what other options are there?

I've been thinking for a little while that May's tactics have been to make such a hash of negotiations that it will never get through Parliament and so the UK will remain in UK. She was a Remainer after all. But I'm probably just being fanciful.

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Posted by JoeLeg 15 November, 2018 09:11

Well there goes Raab.

To lose one Brexit Secretary may be regarded as misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness...


I somehow doubt this will be the last resignation over this. McVey at least, surely?

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Posted by cella 15 November, 2018 09:25

And he negotiated the deal towards the end! Barmy. Any that don't resign are gagged from now on and what happens now to any fierce Brexiteers that don't resign after Raab? Shameless lot.

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Posted by cella 15 November, 2018 09:29

Now Vara too. Hopefully MvVey next.

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Posted by KidKruger 15 November, 2018 09:54

"I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd option for the first time, remain in the EU..."

yeah, I noticed that too - it stood out because it's new !
Ray of HOPE.

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Posted by JohnL 15 November, 2018 09:56

JoeLeg Wrote:
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> Well there goes Raab.
>
> To lose one Brexit Secretary may be regarded as
> misfortune, to lose two looks like
> carelessness...
>
>
> I somehow doubt this will be the last resignation
> over this. McVey at least, surely?


But Brexit Secretary's job is to get the coffee and biscuits.

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Posted by diable rouge 15 November, 2018 10:02

Alan Medic Wrote:
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> I wonder how many additional letters of no
> confidence in her will be written as a result of
> this. Even if there was a vote, she could win it
> as what other options are there?

Thatcher won a vote of confidence but still resigned as she didn't carry an overwhelming majority...

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Posted by JohnL 15 November, 2018 10:02

KidKruger Wrote:
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> "I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd
> option for the first time, remain in the EU..."
>
> yeah, I noticed that too - it stood out because
> it's new !
> Ray of HOPE.

She (No10) attempted to clarify that but just confused more (something about Labour)

Anyway I see a huge catfight coming (and not only Larry).

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Posted by JohnL 15 November, 2018 10:02

McVey Gone

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Posted by diable rouge 15 November, 2018 10:09

nxjen Wrote:
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> I've been thinking for a little while that May's
> tactics have been to make such a hash of
> negotiations that it will never get through
> Parliament and so the UK will remain in UK. She
> was a Remainer after all. But I'm probably just
> being fanciful.

May was never a staunch Remainer in the first place. No doubt there will be a blame game by Brexiters, but not one of them has ever wanted to own Brexit, hence why May was elected as leader. She was their patsy, it was common knowledge that if Brexit went ahead she'd then be kicked out. Looking likely that she may not even get that far...

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Posted by poch 15 November, 2018 10:23

2nd referendum odds now 13/8 on!

ps good day to SEND YOUR MP AN EMAIL if you haven't already. Helen Hayes is backing another vote, but it might be helpful to let Harriet Harman know your views.

'If any agreement is voted down by Parliament, my preference is for there to be a general election - to try to get a Government that can negotiate the best agreement for our country. However, if a general election is not possible, all other options for breaking the impasse must be kept open including a public vote.'

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Posted by diable rouge 15 November, 2018 10:27

poch Wrote:
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> 2nd referendum odds now 13/8 on!
>
> ps good day to SEND YOUR MP AN EMAIL if you
> haven't already. Helen Hayes is backing another
> vote, but it might be helpful to let Harriet
> Harman know your views.
>
> 'If any agreement is voted down by Parliament, my
> preference is for there to be a general election -
> to try to get a Government that can negotiate the
> best agreement for our country. However, if a
> general election is not possible, all other
> options for breaking the impasse must be kept open
> including a public vote.'

Is this a quote from Harman?...

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Posted by JohnL 15 November, 2018 10:30

Are the EU going to do any further negotiating without some kind of extraordinary mandate (like a peoples vote).

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Posted by diable rouge 15 November, 2018 10:37

JohnL Wrote:
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> McVey Gone

I heard on the radio this morning that if there are to be any resignations of an orchestrated nature, they tend to be on the hour, and right on cue McVey resigns an hour after Raab. Tick tock...

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Posted by poch 15 November, 2018 10:37

Yep, DR....should have clarified...

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Posted by diable rouge 15 November, 2018 10:45

Thanks poch, from a personal point of view there's no point in another GE if Labour are still going down the Brexit route like they did at the last GE. Any form of Brexit will damage the economy and impact the poorest the most. So if anyone of a similar mind is writing to HH, please make a point of that, adding that a People's Vote is the only way out of this mess...

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Posted by poch 15 November, 2018 10:51

Thanks DB. For those in her constituency, TODAY is the day to email. It can take as little as 1 minute if you're busy and want to keep it brief.

harriet.harman.mp@parliament.uk

Great that Helen Hayes has come out for a 2nd Referendum.

The idea that another vote is anti-democratic when TM's deal bears NO resemblance to what was sold to us 2.5 years ago is getting harder and harder to swallow. A whole-scale failure to live up to all those Brexit promises IS anti-democratic.

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Posted by JohnL 15 November, 2018 10:59

11:00 and all's well - Michael Gove hasn't marched in with his letter.

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