> Of course I think there used to be homophobia in
> the 60s, 70s and 80s - I don't know where you get
> that idea from.
From your own words - "And to be honest my generation grew up by and large perfectly accepting of gay people without having to go through some sort of programme in order to accept them."
That's absolute rubbish. Homophobia was rampant in your generation. You personally may not have been (though the pinned video on your twitter feed makes me question that), but if you think it wasn't basically part and parcel of life then you're deluded.
And there is still plenty of
> homophobia today.
> But it isn't coming from me.
> I don't think the approach we are taking in
> schools re: homophobia is the best one. There is a
> great deal of indoctrination going on and I would
> rather people accept gay people because they are
> accepting tolerant individuals than because they
> are indoctrinated.
That's generally what's going on with normal people. This is London in 2020. No one cares if you're gay. Well, no one reasonable anyway. However you don't have to go too far out of London to step back in time 30 years, so yeah, maybe some people do need to be helped to understand that it's not the end of the world if little Alfie has two dads.
We are indoctrinating our
> children with ideologies rather than teaching them
> to be open minded and accepting.
No, no we really aren't. Being a reasonable and tolerant human isn't an ideology. It's basic good manners.
You only need to
> see the ire directed at people who hold
> conservative or traditional views to know that we
> are not teaching young people tolerance and
For 'traditional' read 'outdated and unwilling to accept others views'. Check yourself first before assuming it's other people who are displaying intolerance.
> I think there is an interesting discussion going
> on although I don't think you are part of it!
Ah, diddums. You don't like being challenged (well, you do write for the Daily Heil)? Well, surely you and TE44 can just reinforce each others views via PM. I note that you aren't exactly having a discussion; for example you responded to Mops first post but ignored her subsequent two where she disagreed with you. Hardly having a debate now is it?
For the record I think the views you hold are dangerous, and if you were in charge of my daughters sexual education I'd be making your life extremely difficult.
> Someone raised the question of why I am here - it
> is because I want to know how other people think.
I can save you some time. A lot of people disagree with you.
> I find on twitter you always end up talking to
> people who think the same as you so that isn't so
> valuable. Also there are not enough words for a
> decent discussion whereas here there are enough
> I'm not obsessed with anal sex but RSE materials
> do seem to be. That is why I keep banging on about
No, sorry, don't believe you. You bring it up repeatedly, you bought BDSM into it, you are manifestly intolerant of any sexual identity that does not fit with your religiously-framed view of how people should be allowed to express themselves physically. You refuse to accept that others lead healthy, loving lives in the embrace of a variant of sexuality that you would decry as sinful and immoral.
> Yes I would like to see the sex education system
> changed. For decades now we have had rising rates
> of sexually transmitted diseases, very high rates
> of teenage pregnancy, huge levels of mental health
> issues, and now we have young children confused
> about something as basic as their sex yet we keep
> doggedly ploughing on in the same direction. Yes I
> would really like to see it changed.
And you think AAALLLLL of that is because of RSE? You think we're descending into some kind of cesspit of sexual depravity because of that?
Rising rates of STD's? Debatable. 2018 was up by 5% on the previous couple of years, where it hit stabilised after dropping down from the high points of 2012-15, and now is generally hanging around where it was in the years 07-12. You're trying to give an impression of skyrocketing STI's and that isn't the case.
'Very high rates of teenage preganancy'? Wrong. Just wrong. It's actually declining.
"The under-18 conception rate has decreased for ten years running. In 2017, there were 16,740 conceptions to women aged under 18 in England and Wales, equating to 17.9 conceptions per 1,000 women. This was a 5.3% decrease compared with 2016, and a 57% decrease compared with 2007. There are many factors that could explain recent reductions in under-18 conceptions, including programmes to improve access to contraceptives, a shift in aspirations of young women towards education, and the perception of stigma associated with being a teenage mother."
So you're talking rubbish there. And you say you're a researcher...
Mental health issues? Yes, there's teenage mental health issues. Part of that - a large part - is better understanding and awareness of mental health in general. It's not just in teenagers that it's rising, adults too. It's got very little to do with RSE, and it's frankly a strawman argument to suggest otherwise.
As for trying to bring in the trans argument - nope, sorry, not going there. Nice try, not biting. That's an entirely different discussion; you started this talking about basic sexual education and trying to make out that having open and frank conversations with teenagers in the modern age was dangerous and could lead to the downfall of society.
You don't like RSE, mainly because it conflicts with religiously-informed beliefs that you hold very strongly, and you're looking for stuff to back up your argument. You haven't found it yet, you just think you have.
> This isn't about my children. I just have this
> weird thing where I really care about the world I
> live in and future generations.
And so do the rest of us. And frankly I think you might want to ask yourself why your views are in the minority yet the world still keeps functioning?
Purely apropos of, you know, nothing at all, did you happen to see what went down with Jerry and Rebeccca Falwell? Wow, I mean, they presumably had exactly the kind of attitude to sex that you do, and yet he would stand in the corner of the bedroom watching his wife with the pool boy? Yup, telling people not to do something, that's a sure fire winner, every time...