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messagehow to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by supersammyc May 15, 01:51PM

neighbour claims:
1. foxes can bite off children's fingers (he has a kid). If that were true why doesn't the government shoot all foxes in London?
2. the foxes are aggressive (attacked his dog and snarl at him) - not the experience of any other nearby neighbour: the mother fox is incredibly nervous/avoidant of humans. The cubs are not that scared of people but little softies.

I suspect he has tried to poison them (one of the cubs came with its mouth foaming one day), now he says he has a right to get someone in to shoot them.

I asked how they get into his garden. He said they dig under his fence. I asked if he has tried to block the holes with brick etc. He claims he would need to dig down '1 meter'. We have stopped their digging under the fence with just a few bricks. I asked if he would try it, but he said he has no faith in that solution. How to reason with such a person?

any ideas?

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by lindylou May 15, 02:23PM

Report him to the RSPCA if you have evidence he is using poison. The poison could also kill other wildlife or domestic animals. Most foxes are scared of dogs so I find it hard to believe that the mother "growled" at his dog! We have a fox family nearby and when my cat goes out in the garden they run off.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by tiddles May 15, 02:43PM

what lindylou says - asap!!!

how awful for you!!

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by malumbu May 15, 02:43PM

It looks to be illegal to use poison - government advice is a bit vague, the fox project (not a national charity) has some advice

[foxproject.org.uk]

Pesticides Act 1998 Ė although superseded and legislation now included under a variety of acts, pesticides and poisons must, by law, be used strictly in accordance with the instructions on the product. No poison may legally be used on foxes and anyone found to be in contravention Ė deliberately or by neglect Ė will certainly be prosecuted.

Report it

If you think a wildlife crime is being committed then you can report it to the Police Wildlife Crime Unit online or by calling 101. [good luck with that!]

You can also report wildlife crime anonymously to Crimestoppers, by calling calling 0800 555 111.

Website link:

[www.met.police.uk]

There was a telly programme, maybe the one show, that followed a paid trapper in London who was paid to catch foxes being a nuisance and then let them go elsewhere. The chap loved them. Another professional trapper shoots them, where push comes to shove, but don't see any argument for that. Found that in the Sun.....

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by micromacromonkey May 15, 02:58PM

It is legal to shoot foxes in urban areas, I think you need a permit though. A friend had to do it to get rid of an issue in their garden. AFAIK poisoning is illegal and it's certainly cruel.

I could do with reducing the number of foxes using our garden as a toilet, but it's not clear how effective killing them is since there are loads of them all over the place and some will come to take over their vacant territory.

A better solution for me would be to find the arsehole who feeds them cat food (the foxes mysteriously drag the boxes into our garden). I would think shooting this person would be a better alternative.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by supersammyc May 15, 03:42PM

yes, it's all legal 'micromacromonkey' but it's a total douchebag thing to be doing to little fox cubs and all based on convenient lies about a supposed finger-eating, dog attacking vixen.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by GardenPlanters May 15, 06:06PM

Oh I wonder if these are the lovely little cubs we have had in our garden of recent! Beautiful harmless creatures, who for some reason people feel the need to harm! Who was here first them or us...

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by garages2018 May 15, 06:22PM

-----PEOPLE as FOXES lived in the country side-------

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by first mate May 15, 06:48PM

If there is the merest hint attempts have been made to poison a fox or it cubs a crime has been committed, please report to RSPCA. This is an awful way to try to kill an animal and cannot be condoned in any way.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Blah Blah May 15, 06:59PM

Hsve a chat with the London Wildlife Protection organisation. If he is intent on killing them, they may be able to offer to trap and relocate them. That might be the only way to reason with him sadly. They would also know the law of what is permitted and the RSPCA are the best organisation for prosecuting animal cruelty (if not the best organisation for animal rescue).

[www.londonwildlifeprotection.org]

And let him know asap that they can do that (if they say they can) so that he gives them the chance to get them and relocate them.



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messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by GardenPlanters May 15, 07:29PM

garages2018 Wrote:
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> -----PEOPLE as FOXES lived in the country
> side-------


Oh dear another insufferable ignoramus. East Dulwich and Dulwich used to be rural countryside. There is never any need for animal cruelty, there are plenty of ways to fox proof your garden.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Blah Blah May 15, 08:20PM

I grew up on a farm that my parents still own. Even in the countryside, there is no need for animal cruelty. Foxes are a pest to chickens, so country folk build cages that protect them at night. Shooting a fox family in an urban area because they simply annoy you is unforgivable. There is always another way, hence my link to an organisation that can trap and relocate the fox family if necessary.

Edited to add; The success of urban foxes is entirely down to the available of food vs diminishing country hedgerows. As a child, I learned to shoot a shotgun to deter wildlife threat to the livestock my family reared, but we never shot anything dead. There is always a way to protect wildlife and close off their access to livestock. Country people know this better than anyone. Being humane is easy. Being an impatient urban however.....



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messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Zig-Zag May 16, 01:22AM

This is awful. Please contact both RSPCA and London wildlife project. I would have to move if I had a neighbour like that. What a vile man.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by 1921 May 16, 09:13AM

contact the fox project

[foxproject.org.uk]

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by millie7uk May 16, 11:50AM

Hello, why is it people think they are the only ones good enough to live on this planet, Anyway, the foxes -IF they are aggressive, which I find doubtful, will only be reacting like this because they have cubs or are frightened, it is highly unlikely they will attack a child, and they are afraid of dogs and people, foxes also keep down the rat and rodent population, poisoning them is illegal and carries a £5000.00 fine and up to 6 months in prison apart from the fact its a disgraceful, cowardly, dangerous thing to do, you can get them relocated, but when one family move out another is likely to move in, there are plenty of products available from pet stores and on line that will deter foxes from entering your garden, and for the sake of good neighbourliness people who do not want rural wildlife near them should perhaps talk to the neighbours with a view to controlling the path the foxes take, by fair mean not foul. and who they hell would want to live in a sterile, rural wildlife free world with only a poisoner for a neighbour. The police and Wildlife Protection (police div) have been informed of this situation so any correspondence/threats or decisions should be passed on to them asap.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by DulwichFox May 16, 01:57PM

Foxes pose NO danger to People.. Cats and dogs.

I feed 'OUR' local Foxes. They wait outside my house. They Used to wait for me to come home from the Pub
with Fried Chicken. Chicken shop closed down now.

I have seen Cats steal the food I put out. The Foxes sit back. Foxes are afraid of Cats.
They are mostly timid creatures.

I hope that anyone with any intention to Shoot Foxes is brought to justice.

DulwichFox

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by supersammyc May 16, 02:29PM

i've started a petition and will deliver this to the guy later on. 95% of the neighbours don't want them shot. hopefully he listens and takes measure to stop the foxes digging into his garden in the first place

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by millie7uk May 16, 02:45PM

well done!!!!

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by KidKruger May 16, 06:41PM

Iíd raise a concern about proximity of shooting to yours and othersí gardens with Council and ask them to clarify the restrictions.
I sometimes on bit of land outside London and when I shoot .22 or .144 (I think !), I have to be 50m or further away from the roadside or any adjoining property and must shoot away from those areas. Iím not saying I know the law, nor that country v city laws are the same, but it seems strange that in a built up city someone can legally pull out a gun and start shooting animals - what about neighboursí (and their petsí) safety ?
Might be worth looking into, apols if youíve already done this or itís covered already above.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by ED Bird May 16, 07:02PM

Lol... Foxes are not aggressive. They're mischievious. But aggressive? No. They do not pose a threat to cats {rather the opposite!}, let alone dogs {see [www.facebook.com] endless videos of cats chasing foxes} & can be quite beneficial in controlling & preventing rodent infestation - though this depends on whether or not they feel like preying on mammals - they are omnivorous; content on a diet of berries, nuts & seeds, fruits & vegaetables. Birds, fish & insects.

I agree with 1921. Contact The Fox Project @ [foxproject.org.uk]

Please keep us updated!

Heather {The Wingless Bird}

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Trinnydad May 16, 07:37PM

DulwichFox Wrote:
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> Foxes pose NO danger to People.. Cats and dogs.
>
> I feed 'OUR' local Foxes. They wait outside my
> house. They Used to wait for me to come home from
> the Pub
> with Fried Chicken. Chicken shop closed down now.
>
> > DulwichFox

One should not feed chicken bones to foxes or dogs. Choking risk!

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by DulwichFox May 16, 10:35PM

Trinnydad Wrote:
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> DulwichFox Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Foxes pose NO danger to People.. Cats and dogs.
> >
> > I feed 'OUR' local Foxes. They wait outside my
> > house. They Used to wait for me to come home
> from
> > the Pub
> > with Fried Chicken. Chicken shop closed down
> now.
> >
> > > DulwichFox
>
One should not feed chicken bones to foxes or
dogs. Choking risk!


Foxes have been known to kill Chickens.. and eat them raw.

So do these chickens not have bones..??

The chicken I give to Foxes is cooked and the bones are soft and chewable .

DulwichFox

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Gaynor Hill May 17, 02:25AM

Cooked chicken bones are brittle and can get stuck in throat that's why they shouldn't be given to Foxes uncooked is fine
It's terrible people wanting to harm animals just shows what nasty people they are thinking there so once anything
Else on the planet and shooting Foxes while they have cubs is illegal and they will be fined so if anything happens call authority
Evil people

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by lameduck May 17, 09:51AM

Chances are if you disturb where they are often
few times a day whatever, they will naturally re locate.
had a big boy live in one of my garages for sometime, as we never went in for months,
soon as we found him, we were in there every day, he soon went.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by PnB May 17, 12:58PM

Foxes are indeed a pain in the arse and although i have never harmed or tried to harm any of them that muck up my garden, id be lying if i didnt say i had not considered it. Its interesting how foxes are not considered to be vermin and actively discouraged by the council, and steps taken to eradicate them.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Blah Blah May 17, 06:54PM

PnB please give it up. You are neither funny nor clever. FYI I grew up on a farm, that my parents still own and farm. Foxes are neither vermin nor a pain in the ass if farmers take the right protective measures (as most farmers do). They have moved into urban areas because commercial farming has destroyed the hedgerows where the could find the small rodents they could live off. The biggest risk on farms is to chickens and guess what? Most farmers (if not all) have fox proof barns to keep their chickens safe. Have a chat with farmers dealing with mink....you'll soon see who the biggest predators are. Most people moaning about foxes in urban areas are more worried about fox poo in their gardens (as most townies do not keep chickens). Shooting a mother fox is cruel as her cubs may well be left to starve in their set. THAT is why it is illegal.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by DulwichGlobetrotter May 18, 01:45AM

A few comments:

1. Foxes are very nimble - they can hop onto fences and walk along them with ease - I donít know about cubs, but trying to stop them getting under fences is a bit pointless because they can get over fences & walls easily

2. We have had a ďnuisanceĒ fox over the years whoíd visit our garden to eat takeaways it had found, dig holes in the lawn, dig up plants, poo & generally prance about. Itís annoying but no big deal. We videoed its antics (it usually only visited for 5-10 mins at a time around 2am-4am) to figure out what was doing it.

3. The local foxes raid our bins out the front of the house & poo while they do that - I hate this & plan to get some extra bins once things are back to normal so they canít get into them! It seems to be much worse recently which is probably down to there being less food about from takeaways, cafes and restaurants.

4. The worst bit was the pooing in the back garden as we have young kids & the garden is so small you canít miss the poo, so we bought a motion-active water spray (basically an add on for your garden hose) that we put out every once in a while in the garden. The fox never set it off - too clever! It would spot it, often taking a look into the garden from the top of the fence & deciding to head off elsewhere.

5. Before we had kids, we lived in a block of flats with large shared gardens & there were loads of foxes in them. We didnít really use the garden & never had any issues - they were brazen and would sunbathe in the garden during the day. I didnít mind that at all and got a few nice photos of them.

6. I donít support people feeding the foxes, just like I donít support people feeding the pigeons. That may seem like a kind thing to do but it will just attract them and, despite what many have said on here, they are wild (possibly flea & disease carrying) animals & shouldnít be treated like substitute pets in my view.

7. Donít poison or kill the poor things. Thatís just rotten behaviour & itíll come back to bite you (unlike the foxes!!)



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messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by Trinnydad May 18, 07:15AM

DulwichGlobetrotter Wrote:

> 4. The worst bit was the pooing in the back garden
> as we have young kids & the garden is so small you
> canít miss the poo, so we bought a motion-active
> water spray (basically an add on for your garden
> hose) that we put out every once in a while in the
> garden.

Leaving poo is a territory-marking thing for foxes. We had a similar problem and solved it by declaring it as my territory. It's as simple as filling an old tin can with pee and then spreading it around the garden in the late evening. One every couple of weeks is enough. More often if there has been a lot of rain
It doesn't cost anything and it works.

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by gabys1st May 18, 12:22PM

A fox in North London bit a baby in cot..

messageRe: how to stop a neighbour killing 4 gorgeous fox cubs??
Posted by first mate May 18, 12:40PM

But an incident like this is so vanishingly rare that you cannot damn a whole species on that basis. A fair number of people become very ill and some even die from cat scratches every year but no sane person would advocate poisoning or shooting cats. Bottom line, other humans probably present a greater risk to human life than do foxes.

I would hate to see urban environments sterilised to suit the whims of humans. We donít own the world, although some of us like to think we do.

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