OK, I'll do it. Animal welfare is waaaay down on my list of priorities to be concerned about. I quite like petting the things and going awwww cuuuute if they are, I never kick dogs, or even cats, but if meat is their destiny then I'm not going to get upset about it. A rod in the brain or a quickly wrung neck is probably better than being corralled by a bunch of men with pointy sticks stabbing them repeatedly in their side and then following the blood trail as they slowly bleed to death. I do try and avoid battery produced anything mostly for reasns of flavour, texture and health, I'm not sure i like the idea of eating stuff pumped full of hormones, then plumped with water only to evaporate during cooking leaving you with some shrunken scrawn. If welfare is someone's thing then I admire the stance and get why they would poopoo all meat production, but like SJ don't see why FG is any more of a cause celebre than any other meat production, especially factory farming. I'm afraid I like animal produce too much and once you have made the decision that you're ok with having something die for your gastronomic pleasure then any abitrary line further down is a bit hypocritical. So I'm fine with it all, battery farming included, because billions of people depend on it, more the fool them, but if you haven't got the cash then I suppose I understand. I'd be more interested in legislation to stop the growth hormones meaning that they'd require a bit of exercise rather than try to appeal to people's better nature. I'm wandering all over the place, right I'm foiegratacus and so is my wife