I nkow where you're coming from Atila, and there's no way you should be ashamed for being white. And if you want to say your proud, that's great. I sure ain't going to complain. I'm interested to know if anyone here would be offended. My point, personally speaking, was there's nothing specifically about being white that I'm proud of, but that's just me really. Thinking about it, if I'm not going to take personal responsibility and feel shame for Spain's devastation of the New World, the Inquisition, the bloodthirsty campaigns in The Low Countries, General Franco etc as they weren't really my fault, then can I take personal pride in Goya, Velazquez, Rodrigo, Flamenco, the Alhambra, the orange laden squares of Seville, The perennial underachievers that are the national football team? I can take pride in my mum's Tortilla Espa?ola though, I'm pretty comfortable with that.