Actually I'm finding myself agreeing with Ratty on this. I do believe that every effort has to be made to battle the underlying causes of gun/gang culture and youth crime. Social deprivation, inequalities of education and opportunity, sink estates, general hopelessness, plus the self-defeating, resentful, ugly machismo of gang culture. Once a gun has been picked up however, and especially if actually used, 'you forfeit all rights that society may or may not have granted you. You take yourself outside of the rights that everyone else enjoys.' Nicely put.