Dulwich dweller

I have plenty of experience dealing with the council when it comes to events/ licensing and i know what does and doesn't carry weight when voicing concerns. I do think there are valid concerns/ issues but that's me and not the council or how their process works. Mostly so yes and because as i explained i just can't see the council blocking a future application from Gala/ or another similar event unless there's been complete disregard for contractual agreements, safety issues, antisocial behaviour, reports of violence, drug dealing and open consumption plus other criminality that's clearly related to the event. Those are the things that Gala and the council are likely to focus on/point to when on the defensive. I'm not saying don't go and air your views/ concerns but i would keep my expectations low in regard to the outcome that you're hoping for. It's a PR exercise. They're not obliged to hold a meeting so perhaps not box ticking but their actions will show them in a good light and as being conscientious and caring. It's something that they and the council will no doubt point to if and when the need arises sometime in the future. I agree with you and for the reasons given above. It's possible but from my side of the fence i'd say it's doubtful because of the cost. Presuming the event was extended to two weekends the cost/ rental of the sound system, fencing, floor cover, rigging, lighting, security etc would multiply fourfold. It would be redundant during the week but that won't get you mates rates. They'd have to hike the ticket costs and risk pricing themselves out or range to their target audience. I'd imagine that the profit margins from a site the size of the Rye are not the highest given the running costs that such an event incurs. All the best with your meeting!

Is the distance/ location going to stop you from going? I really don't think that Gala will have any concerns about a meeting with concerned residents. They're under no obligation to do so. More browning points for them with the council and old bill. There is nothing that can be said that will prevent them from getting a future license for Peckham Rye. As explained previously it takes a lot more than complaints about noise and how the site is left/ reinstated before they get refused a licence. If it was a magnet for violence, open drug dealing and consumption then you might have a chance of getting whatever it is you want.

It's four bus stops away so hardly a deterrent unless one has mobility issues. Gala nor any other events organisers are under obligation to do what they've agreed to do. I'm sure if those who are serious and want to be heard will make the effort to attend the meeting. Whether their concerns have an impact or are taken seriously. Unless you can prove Gala have purposely chosen Peckham Levels as a means to deter people from attending i don't think it helps matters by implying that there's some sort of agenda or conspiracy going on. From following this thread it appears that's it's you with the agenda. Your display of arrogance in the post above ( Let's not pretend ) suggests that we're all in agreement with you.

This is a forum for comment and discussion. Do you only write positive things when offering opinions? Saying an offering of food is a bit pricey isn't ripping any ones legs from beyond them unless the person who's interpreted that way is an idiot and easily swayed. It isn't so easy supporting a new business if their product is rather pricey, rather scant and can be bought cheaper elsewhere in the area. I take it that you'll be supporting Jamaican vibes by treating yourself and your family to something that you can purchase cheaper at another DULWICH business 🙄

That was my first thought. Then again he may be having to fork out quite a bit for the pitch? Not sure as i haven't been up that bit for a while now.

Thanks. That's quite pricey.

How much did it cost?

I always use them. Plenty of variety, always fresh and not overpriced. The staff are very friendly and i love the fact they still do all the arithmetic with paper and pen.

No it's not. Festival season is a short period, a few months in a year. Clubs are closing for numerous reasons. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9xkxngy95o.amp#:~:text=London's night-time economy businesses are "experiencing closures and,- the steepest fall for any English region.

Wouldn't be a bad idea and would be beneficial to all road users. More so with Boris/hire bikes i do see some awful and stupidly dangerous manoeuvr'es taken by the riders. I travel lots by bus and take the front seat upstairs when possible which gives one a great view. Have to say that i witness some awful risk taking by cyclists as well as little regard for the highway code which i think all road cyclists should be proficient in. If a moped user has to have passed a test to get on the road then i don't see why cyclist shouldn't either. It would be for everyone's benefit and certainly for the cyclists who are very much the more vulnerable when up against huge lumps of metal. On the same tack i do think there should be some way that mobile devices are automatically disabled when in a moving vehicle. Form my view from the front of the bus it's very common to see drivers with there phones on laps and tapping or scrolling away one handed whilst there vehicle is moving. They're a terrible distraction and hard to put down for many. For balance i'd suggest the same for the cyclists that can cycle hands free while texting away. It's quite some skill but not so impressive when you see how vulnerable they leave themselves.

May well have been but definitely coming from opposite direction of the Rye.

We heard music coming from somewhere earlier this evening around 8pm but couldn't work out from where. A bit later when walking past Goose green towards Lordship lane we could hear the music again. It was louder and seemed to be coming from a distance which we thought may have been Brockwell or that area. I'm not sure if there was a music event at Brockwell this weekend but the noise was definitely coming from a loud sound system that's used for outdoor events. It certainly does. I just posted about Brockwell or that area.

At Gala? One thing we have noticed is the music cuts off bang on the time it's supposed to finish. That'll be one thing that the on site council representatives will do properly because of the kick back that they'd get from put out residents affected by the din. They couldn't possibly go onto midnight. It would scupper any chances of gala coming back next year. Some bits here from Southwark. https://www.southwark.gov.uk/events-culture-and-heritage/events/large-and-major-events/gala-music-festival-peckham-rye-park-and-common As i suspected Gala do put down a deposit along with an environmental Impact Fee. To me it seems that it's Southwark that are not holding Gala to task over contractual agreements that will cover amongst over things- reinstating the land used back to how they found it. If Southwark weren't happy with Gala not fulfilling there obligations they would not refund the deposit that's held. If corners are being cut it's essentially down to Southwark being slapdash and not following ( there )procedures.

Yes. Especially when it's a load of baseless cobblers. If you don't like being challenged then tough on you.

The likes of me? 😀How dare i question someone on a message board when they come out with baseless cobblers about fatal stabbings and mass disorder whilst not having a jot of evidence to back up such fearmongering. You can't justify your view because it's impossible to do so. I would rather the event didn't take place for most of the reasons already put forward by other posters. They are genuine and reasonable concerns. Predicting mass lawlessness and murder isn;t a genuine concern, it's plain idiotic. I do feel for people that live nearer to the event than me and those who are put out by it. We get away lightly here at the Gardens/ Barry road/ Rye end. The noise levels vary depending on wind direction but they are never overwhelming. It's more of a backround noise. The coming and going of the punters has never been a problem. It's not a rowdy or aggressive crowd. For the numbers that pass through it's rare to see drunkeness or any drug taking. I smell more cannabis down Rye lane than i do when Gala is on. I'm a DJ, promoter and Londoner so i see things from both sides. It isn't easy to get space such as the Rye. There's a hell of a lot of hoops to be jumped through, reassurances to be made and rules to be adhered to. So with that in mind it is disappointing that both the council and event organisers are not fulfilling there duties nor sticking to contractual.agreements. If the council were monitoring the site correctly and taking Gala to task the there would be more bins and portable toilets etc. Drop off and pick up points clearly signposted and marshaled. The after clean, reinstating of damaged grassed areas etc should be much more thorough and as agreed. Both the council and Gala are negligent here but it won't stop the event being licensed again next year. It's associated crime levels and anti social behaviour that really counts when up for licensing. In Galas case there's no history or evidence of either so it gives them a strong case when there application goes before the committee.

On topic and divides opinion going by the readers comments. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/20/public-parks-lifeline-summer-councils-revenue#comment-167682670

Yes. You haven't answered my question. What do you think the chances are of mass lawlessness breaking out or a fatal stabbing happening? Why do you say give it time? You must have reasons for making such OTT statements so what are they?

What do you think the chances are of mass lawlessness breaking out or a fatal stabbing happening? You say when which i don't follow because everything else aside i have not seen or heard/ read about any kind of rowdiness or trouble in the time that this event has taken place. I live opposite the Rye just along from Barry road and see the crowds come and go all quite peacefully to my surprise. There's nothing rowdy or aggressive about them, no signs of mass lawlessness breaking out or that they might get a bit stabby.

Purely to stop people without tickets from climbing over and getting in for free.

Because it's affordable and plenty of choice. It's a changing and will continue to do so. As with most areas going through the gentrification process it will be all about the night time economy meaning a saturation of drinking holes and ' cool and vibrant ' licensed eateries. Brixton mark 2. I think Covid slowed down the pace of change in the next ' up and coming ' areas and has given many prospective ventures itchy feet and pause for thought because there's less footfall and disposable cash than there was pre covid. Brixton for example is much quieter and visibly down on numbers in both bars and eateries. Across London clubs and music venues are dropping like flies.

It is handy because many customers buy an extra perishable or two and then drop it straight into the collection area in the store.

I intended to answer this before but keep getting sidetracked. Critical mass has been going 30 years now. An idea that people can reclaim streets and cities by outnumbering cars with their bikes. https://network23.org/criticalmasslondon/ http://www.urban75.com/Action/critical.html

Are you a copper or just looking for an argument? You make a lot of assumptions. Also, i thought you weren't interested in passenger numbers but wanted to know where money is going? Can you point me to where i've said that? Cheers

But not busses. Supply and demand. Routes that are less frequent now will be so because the numbers tapping in are less and TFL will react accordingly. Bus journeys held up more during the pandemic and peaked as a proportion of the total, with more than two-thirds of journeys being taken on the bus, however that number has sharply dropped in 2023/24 to just over half. The current proportion has fallen from its pandemic peak to even lower than the 55.5% recorded before the first lockdown, equating to a total of over 350m fewer journeys.

Out of interest what is a social impact model?