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hpsaucey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HI there. I was given a leaflet outside the > station, which said that there is a fair/some > stalls etc. on one of the days. I've already lost > the leaflet. Can you remind me when this was > happening? Is it Saturday? > There is a timed session with a couple of talks,one illustrated with slides, at 7pm Thursday 2nd August. The rest of the times, see below, it is drop-in with guided tour of exhibition displays if needed, and other things going on relevant to an old waiting room including refreshments... THURSDAY 2nd August 5pm-9pm Opening talks @ 7pm FRIDAY 3rd August 1pm-9pm SATURDAY 4th August 11am-3pm

mynamehere Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone know what the long term plans are for > the Peckham Multi Stoery Garage? I know Frank's > is there summers but what's planned long term? Ah - a very good question at the heart of one of The Challenges that our exhibition is bringing to light. Do please come to the exhibition to see what it says about such complex matters and so we can work together to get a better result than leaving it the unimaginative forces that swirl around public authority planning combined with narrow minded silo-like property development. I am now immersed in last minute preps so not able to respond in detail just now to the comments now made. Thank you all for contributing. That gives me good heart that we can get a good discussion going. More during or after the exhibition. And if you are around over the next few days, do spare half an hour at the least to drop in and see something of what is going on here. PS and if you want to be even better briefed on the overall issues, and/or hear our very own inspiring Benedict O'Looney on the historical architecture, we have one timed session Thursday at 7pm.

Hi folks ? am sad that no one has entered any comment in response to this topic. Was hoping for some exchange of views before the exhibition starts tomorrow Thursday. But let's hope many EDF people come so we can have a good exchange of thoughts afterwards. Exhibition opens in the Old Waiting Room, Peckham Rye station, 5pm tomorrow 2nd August and then at 7pm opening talks for background, what it is all for, and a slide show with our historical expert Benedict O?Looney. Also drop in on Friday 1pm to 9pm, or Saturday 11am t0 3pm. See first post above for exhibition details. This is a great opportunity to be inside this still publically inaccessible place so you can help us all think of what role we can nurture for it in the revitalisation of our town centre.

I managed to get a banner about our historic Peckham into the images of the Olympic Torch relay event and onto the web! Helped of course by the fact that our relay runner in Peckham was the top Bollywood star Amitabha Bachchan. See here http://goo.gl/6Jvh1 and here http://goo.gl/M2mVO , but I missed the chance to give the weblink http://www.peckhamvision.org ! It was great though as I went with 6 banners and found 5 local people really keen to hold them up. It was a warm feeling seeing the people in the procession acknowledging and responding well to the signs. I doubt though that the Bollywood star knew where he was or able to take in such things! But we have made a link between this global event and our historic High Street. The torch passed most of the key historic buildings on the High Street and we are scouring the web for any good film or stills which show both in one shot. So if anyone comes across anything please let me know via [email protected] The restoration of these buildings along with the restoration of Peckham Rye station and the redesign of the public spaces around it are major projects for Peckham over the next few years. So I hope all reading this, who are here during 2-4 August, can drop in to see the exhibition and find out why this is all so important. It would be great to have some comments about these matters in the EDF before we go into the exhibition and to continue the discussion afterwards on the Forum.

In the last year, the work that some local people have been doing for years through local community groups, most recently Peckham Vision and Peckham Society, has resulted in new public investment into Peckham town centre of over ?12m for the next 5 years or so. There will be a huge transformation of the area round Peckham Rye station, and in other parts of the town centre historic buildings as well. There is a lot of work to be done to enable anyone who lives or works in Peckham and surrounding areas who feels connected to this area to get involved. Helping local people to be well informed about all this is a critical step to getting effective engagement in these exciting developments. Peckham Vision http://www.peckhamvision.org has a license from Network Rail to hold a 3 day exhibition on all this in the next few weeks in the partially restored Old Waiting Room in Peckham Rye Station. This is a very rare chance to get into the space we can usually only peer at through the window on Platform 3. It is a unique opportunity to immerse ourselves in this atmospheric space, learn more about Peckham?s buildings and past, and find out about hopes and plans for Peckham?s future. We hope that the information can help to stimulate some discussion on this forum about the facts, the issues, and the potential benefits of this kind of work, and what we need to do to make sure we get those benefits. volunteer opportunities as stewards for the exhibition are still available. If you can spare a few hours during 2- 4 August to help, please do email OWR exhibition [email protected] But do please make sure you drop in to it at sometime so we can have a lively informed discussion on the forum about the issues before and afterwards. The details for the exhibition are here: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?6,925191 For more information: http://www.peckhamvision.org http://www.facebook.com/PeckhamVision email us at [email protected] follow us -

I am told the torch relay will stop at Peckham Academy for a 'lunch' break at around 11am. So it will be in Peckham High St from about 10/15 minutes before that. It is coming past the oldest parts of historic Peckham buildings in Peckham or later. Buildings as old as number 58 Peckham High Street, the house near Burger King, and built in the 17th century; and including the curved terrace on the junction with Peckham Hill Street; the lovely row of buildings facing Peckham Hill Street, and more. These are all part of the significant historic heritage we have in Peckham and which justified the town centre Conservation Area designated last October, and the successful Heritage Lottery Fund bid for a Townscape Heritage Initiative grant of ?1.7m. This will provide for selected historic restoration of some of those buildings and some in Rye Lane over the next few years. For more info see: ? historic Peckham: http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Historic_Peckham ? Townscape Heritage Initiative: http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Latest_News#16th_May_2012_Townscape_Heritage_Initiative_.28THI.29_success

Yes, it is a great day if the weather is good. Well worth a visit. We will have the Peckham Residents? Network stall there as usual with the latest news from Peckham Vision, Southwark Rail Users' Group, and Peckham Society about the shared campaigns to improve Peckham town centre and local rail services (including East Dulwich rail); also with Bellenden Residents' Group info. Friends of Goose Green also will have a stall. So if you get there do come and look for us and say hello, and also enjoy what is usually a good fun day on our wonderful Goose Green open space. It would be great to see some EDF regulars in person!

Lowlander Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm refuting the argument that it's quicker to > pick up a ready meal every day rather than cook > from scratch. I fully appreciate that a lot of > people don't enjoy cooking. There are many things > I don't enjoy! For someone who doesn't like cooking or food prep it is a chore, and chores usually take longer, or seem to, than things we like...

taper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's quite a distance from the tracks. You should > worry more about the noise from the sorting > office. The tracks run on one side of Blenheim Grove and the sorting office is in Highshore Road three streets away. Have you mixed up the streets Taper? Some people in Blenheim Grove have complained about the loudspeakers on the platforms, and they were adjusted. I don?t know if that was a permanent solution. I have not heard any complaints about the noise of trains themselves. Kistanbul - If you are new to the neighbourhood check out Bellenden Residents? Group and Southwark Rail Users? Group. I co-ordinate both groups, so if you need any more info email me through the contact details on the website.

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why are there two Peckham Easts? The north one should be called Peckham North East. > And if these little geographic areas are to be split in to such small areas, why are three distinct different areas > all lumped into one characters area called Nunhead Peckham Rye and Honor Oak? > And what is the point of all this? I mean, why are we concerning ourselves with politicians' games of > boundary definition? There are lots of different characters and areas within the one big so-called > character area of Nunhead Peckham Rye and Honor Oak. For starters even Nunhead has different areas within it. These points about the boundaries and sizes of the Character Areas are useful and relevant points to make in your comments to the council. But this exercise is not just about boundary definition - it is also and much more about the detailed content of proposed planning policies. Which of the five areas do you live in PeckhamRose? Have you read the policy pages for that area? Do you agree with them? Is there anything you want changed? Is there anything missing that you want added? If your answer to those two questions is no then there is no action for you. I hope that others who check into this topic discussion can focus on the content of the policy proposals for their own areas and see if there is anything they want to use this forum to discuss. Focusing on boundary issues, to the exclusion of the policy content, is missing a good opportunity to discuss with other residents some key planning policy issues affecting our futures.

As you are reading this post, please look at this map and see if where you live or run a business or work is in one of the five ?Character Areas? marked out there. If it is in the area marked Peckham South then please look at this note about the issues that need to be thought about by anyone living or working there. The draft plan for that area is on pages 100 ? 106 in the PNAAP. If you have any thoughts about the issues any of that raises I hope you will post something here so it can contribute to the discussion. If you live in another area marked out on that map as a ?Character Area?, you will find the text for the draft plan for it in pages 84 ? 114 in the PNAAP. Then you can decide what issues, if any there that you would like to raise for discussion here or elsewhere.

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A 'character area'. Nope, I'm lost. Hi Peckham Rose ? have a look at this map of the five Character Areas You can see from that exactly what area is covered in each of the five ?Character Areas?. Next see if you live in one of those. If you do, then look up the proposed description of that area - covering your own neighbourhood - in the PNAAP between pages 84 ? 114 of the PNAAP. Page 84 gives a brief explanation of what a 'Character Area ' is for the PNAAP. Then you can see what they mean by Character Area as it affects your own immediate surroundings. Does that help to explain what this is about, and how close to home it is?

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have looked at Figure 18: Peckham South Vision > on page 101 of the Action Plan. East Dulwich Road > forms the Southern boundary to the area so am > unclear where "the huge chunks of East Dulwich > south of East Dulwich Road" are. Also, for the > sake of clarification, Goose Green is not included > within the Action Plan. I am not sure what John K has in mind on "the huge chunks of East Dulwich south of East Dulwich Road"; maybe he would like to expand? You can see from the map of the five Character Areas exactly what is covered by the PNAAP and the boundary of the proposed Peckham South. One of the issues about the proposed boundary is that it cuts the Bellenden* part of the neighbourhood in two as it follows the ward boundary between The Lane ward and the South Camberwell ward. *This is 'Bellenden' as in the boundary of the Bellenden Renewal scheme 1997-2007 which formed the basis of a sort of emerging neighbourhood identity south of the railway line, but subsumed within the wider one of Rye Lane West including north of the railway line. These areas are easier to see in the map on the BRG website here. Ward boundaries are administrative and often arbitrary for electoral purposes. This has its inconveniences but it is inevitable as population numbers shift around. But for producing a text which is about a planning Character Area I would suggest is not sensible, nor is it necessary as it just needs to be mentioned in the text that the ward boundaries are not congruent with the actual 'character area'. I cover these points in the issues note here. It is in that context of the Character Area that Goose Green is included, as it is an essential part of the Character Area between East Dulwich Road and Peckham Road. We who live in that area, and have taken an active part in local planning matters for many years, have called the area 'Rye Lane West neighbourhood? based on what the Council was calling it in previous naming exercises. See the map and text under boundary and character of Rye Lane West neighbourhood on the Bellenden Residents? Group website here. Further background to that and more on the boundary matter you can see in this note here. I hope others can give their views about the boundary issue in relation to what makes sense from a Planning perspective in producing a ?Character Area?. It doesn?t need to be contentious if we remember that it is about what makes sense in giving a description of the character of the area for planning purposes. I would suggest that excluding the streets in the South Camberwell ward territory in the SW corner of Bellenden is not sensible from a planning ?Character Area ?perspective.

Administrator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I ain't said nuffink about accepting your previous > post, leave me out of it. Dear Administrator ? After I posted first under the title *Peckham South - Character Area for the PNAAP* and then tried to edit it was impossible to get back into it. I then noticed this under the subject heading: **Messages in this section must be about issues specific to East Dulwich. The local business section is here** and I thought that was a message saying the post was being rejected. But now I have been able to get in and edit this post and restore the links so it looks OK again, and we can have the discussion. Thank you.

I previously posted this under the heading 'Peckham South' but then seemed to get blocked from editing it because it was about 'Peckham South'. So I posted again to ask if the area the Council has proposed naming 'Peckham South', could equally, or should be called East Dulwich North? The point is that it straddles the area as we know from many previous discussions on the border of East Dulwich, many people refer to the southern part of it as East Dulwich, and many people who live in it already do often discuss our neighbourhood in this EDForum. That is why I think it is appropriate that we are able to have the discussion here. I hope others think that is helpful. Previous information: The Council are now consulting on the ?Preferred Options? PNAAP (Peckham & Nunhead Area Action Plan). I am starting this thread about one particular part of what they call Character Areas. This is a new section they have included in the PNAAP to subdivide the SE15 area into five, more local, sub-areas. You can find the whole text for this on pages 84 - 114 in the PNAAP. The five areas are shown in this pdf map extracted from the PNAAP. The Council propose to call one of these Areas Peckham South. This is the neighbourhood north of Lordship Lane, including Goose Green. The policy text for this is in pages 100 ? 106 in the PNAAP It covers the SE15 streets to the west of Rye Lane. This includes the Bellenden area, where there are many EDF people, and so seems useful to create a thread here to discuss the proposals and the issues. These issues include: 1. The proposed boundary of 'Peckham South' 2. Development of back land sites 3. Poor design of infill developments 4. Shopping frontages 5. Open Space 6. Traffic 7. Car parking 8. Public realm / built environment If you live or work in or know the ?Peckham South? neighbourhood do please read the text pages 100-106 link above, and contribute to the discussion on those or any other issues. You can find some comments and suggestions on some of the issues here. The comments have to be with the Council by 24th April; email your comments with your name, street and postcode to [email protected] If you don?t want those personal details to appear publically say that clearly. You should be able to see the paper copy of the PNAAP in the libraries, and you can get a copy by post by asking for one giving your name and address: - email: [email protected] - phone: 020 7525 5471 I?d like to end this introduction by asking who, reading this, has already seen the PNAAP and is aware of the consultation timetable ending 24 April 2012? I hope we can have a real discussion here about this proposed 'Peckham South' Character Area plan!

The Council are now consulting on the ?Preferred Options? PNAAP (Peckham & Nunhead Area Action Plan). I am starting this thread about one particular part of what they call Character Areas. This is a new section they have included in the PNAAP to subdivide the SE15 area into five, more local, sub-areas. You can find the whole text for this on pages 84 - 114 in the PNAAP. The five areas are shown in this pdf map extracted from the PNAAP Peckham South is one Character Area. The policy text for this is in pages 100 ? 106 in the PNAAP It covers the SE15 streets to the west of Rye Lane. This includes the Bellenden area, where there are many EDF people, and so seems useful to create a thread here to discuss the proposals and the issues. These issues include: 1. The proposed boundary of Peckham South 2. Development of back land sites 3. Poor design of infill developments 4. Shopping frontages 5. Open Space 6. Traffic 7. Car parking 8. Public realm / built environment If you live or work in or know the ?Peckham South? neighbourhood do please read the text pages 100-106 link above, and contribute to the discussion on those or any other issues. You can find some comments and suggestions on some of the issues here. The comments have to be with the Council by 24th April; email your comments with your name, street and postcode to [email protected] If you don?t want those personal details to appear publically say that clearly. You should be able to see the paper copy of the PNAAP in the libraries, and you can get a copy by post by asking for one giving your name and address: - email: [email protected] - phone: 020 7525 5471 I?d like to end this introduction by asking who, reading this, has already seen the PNAAP and is aware of the consultation timetable ending 24 April 2012? I hope we can have a real discussion here about this Peckham South Character Area plan!

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The other good news is that the new draft PNAAP (Peckham & Nunhead Area Action Plan) now out for consultation has dropped the proposal to develop the car park for housing. That proposal has been in every draft for the last several years and every time people in the streets in that neighbourhood have objected as we want to keep the open space, and the expanse of sky. It is so crowded in that part of the town centre. Now it means that we can start focusing more on good landscaping and amenity space there and this wonderful project is the start.

skyblue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Morning Eileen I am sorry that I couldn't make > last night I hope that it went well. Would you > let us know what happened and any news re eagle > wharf? Many thanks There was a steady stream of people to the exhibition from 4pm growing in numbers till the room was crowded and standing room only by the time 7pm came. We think there were over 200 there. So it is all a bit of a haze to me. I hope others who were there and reading this thread will give their own response to your question. Any tech savvy readers of this - If you tweet please can you tweet about the meeting as well, mentioning #Peckham ? The energy and enthusiasm from the community was great and seemed to impress the senior people from the Council, and the rail companies who were there, about local commitment to Peckham town centre. Let's hope that continues to make a difference to what they do with their big property interests in the town centre and their respective powers to improve things, and also improve their ways of working with active local people. On Eagle wharf the Council's preferred option for this site can be seen in the PNAAP: * click on http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2959/peckham_and_nunhead_aap_preferred_option * then click on top line: Peckham and Nunhead Area Action Plan Preferred Option February 2012 (52.29 MB PDF). In the PNAAP go to * Eagle Wharf pages 150-151 in the website pdf version, in Appendix B: Schedule of proposals sites PNAAP 10.

just a reminder = the exhibition opens at 4pm today: come for as short or long a time as you like. We have displays about * latest information about the station restoration * the Council's planning policies for Peckham through the draft PNAAP - lots of interesting stuff and an officer on hand to explain, and discuss. * Peckham Vision's travelling accumulating material about local history and the ideas about different parts of the town centre * Information from the team pulling ideas together for a Southwark Council backed bid for a (Mary) Portas pilot * Peckham Society bookstall and more ... The meeting starts at 7pm, and will have some presentations and time for questions and discussion. Come and meet other Peckham town centre enthusiasts. The event is in the CLF Art Caf?, first floor of the Bussey building, entrance from 133 Rye Lane opposite Blenheim Grove. Light refreshments are on sale. Do please say hello if you come!

TfL have told us (SRUG, Southwark Rail Users' Group) that the plan is to end the South London Line on 8th December and start the East London Line on the 9th December 2012. Indications are that all is on time. From that point we will have the extra 4tph between Clapham Junction and Canada Water (Jubilee connection), but lose 2tph to London Bridge and Victoria. This will reduce the London Bridge trains to 4tph from Peckham Rye, and cut all trains to Victoria in the evenings and Sundays. The campaign to get those Victoria gaps filled is still continuing and though the signs aren't good in that we haven't lost hope that something can be done. see here for the latest on that campaign. If we lose the battle this year for that timetable, we will be campaigning hard to get the full 7 days a week service to and from Victoria into the rail franchise to be renewed in 2014. These campaigns to be successful depend on a lot of informed users making their views known at the right time. So please join the email list ? email: [email protected]

Hi ? is anyone who has been following this thread coming to the exhibition or meeting tomorrow Wed 14th March? It would be great if you could post something up here afterwards so we can develop the discussion. And also say hello when you are there if you don?t mind losing your anonymity... Reminder of details: WEDNESDAY 14th MARCH 2012 7pm - 9pm meeting from 4pm drop-in exhibition about major new developments agreed or proposed for the town centre at the CLF Art Cafe, Bussey building, 133 Rye Lane. Refreshments

ibilly99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If Peckhma goes upmarket... Hi ibilly & all - In Bar Story this evening, as I was dishing out flyers for the event on Wed 14th March (from 4pm exhibition, 7-9pm meeting), a comment was that the improvements we are seeking would lead to gentrification (bad). This came from some young (young to me?) people who live in private rented flats here in Peckham. Their point is that the landlords are putting up the rents in anticipation of the East London Line (ELL) coming in December, pricing out the kinds of people I was talking to. As a long time house owner in this area (1970s? vintage) I have no recent experience of the private rented market, but I am not surprised at what they said. The question is what on earth can we do about this? It is what the political policies on so called affordable housing have failed to get to grips with. It will not be surprising if the arrival of the East London Line pushes up property values, as they are said to have risen in the areas that got the first ELL extension two years ago. I can?t see that our community initiated attempts to improve the area and realise its potential has led to this as they haven?t had an effect yet. But maybe they will exacerbate that effect. I?d be interested to hear other views on this. It is also a topic that can be raised at the meeting on 14th March.

ibilly99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If Peckhma goes upmarket which is the next up and > coming sh&thole to replace it ? With Peckham's very mixed housing tenure, it's not likely that 'Peckham' will go up market. We have a great opportunity to keep our mixed demographics and improve the quality of our collective public spaces for the benefit of us all, haven't we?

ibilly99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good luck but Peckham being the new Shoreditch is > stretching reality somewhat - however nothing > ventured nothing gained - if they had kept the > Canal basin we wouyld be onto a winner > I was told long ago that the canal got filled in in 1972 - just the year before I came to Peckham, and 3 years before the Peckham Society was started. The Peckham Society was born out of a campaign to stop the demolition of Clifton Crescent the wonderful terrace off Asylum Road that you can see from the rail line. It was the residents around there that saved it and started the Peckham Society. I was recruited just after that in 1975 and got sucked into all this local activity... My baptism of fire was in the 5 year campaign through the Peckham Action Group (PAG) 1977 - 1982 (PAG set up by the Peckham Society) against the demolition of the whole of the north side of Peckham High St. I have often thought that maybe the canal wouldn?t have been filled in if the Peckham Society had been started a few years earlier. It was PAG that first suggested that the green walkway, which by then existed in place of the canal, was opened up into the High St for a continuous walk. The path to that was blocked at that time by the then location of part of Whitten's timber and the whole of Abbey Rose builders? merchants. Abbey Rose was relocated to Consort Road, and Whitten?s moved to the side and extended their business on the old Eagle Wharf site, now recently demolished.