Eileen

These lights were part of the last act of the infamous Bellenden Renewal Scheme that started in 97/98. The last street to have works in it was Marsden Road and very extensive they appear to have been as some of the houses needed structural work because of settlement or worse. That street was chosen, we were told, as there are lots of visitors to the area through the Wildlife Garden Centre there, also the design of the lamp posts reflected that as they are in the shape of a flower or leaf I think. If there was any consultation about the lights it was very quiet and not even throughout the streets where they were placed as people there seemed to have been taken by surprise. But that was not unusual in the Renewal Scheme. The decisions were taken by the Housing Renewal Team (council staff) that were in charge. Ward councillors were a bit involved at the beginning but that dropped off and they had no effective involvement any more than the residents did by half way through. There was in fact very little accountability. Personally I thought Marsden Road was much improved by the works, and the lamp standards were too big for the area. But in the end they seem to grow on you. Just glad the Renewal Team with their sometimes stressful effects have left the area for good (18 months ago).

skidmarks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does the forecourt outside Peckham Rye come under > your remit or LB of Southwark? The paving has sunk > here and needs rebedding with falls towards the > gullies. There was a small lake outside the > entrance yesterday after the rain. I think it is neither. Southern?s remit stops at the ticket hall entrance and Network Rail owns the forecourt and buildings up to the main public roads. A couple of years ago we campaigned successfully to get Southwark Council to take over the cleaning contract and so they are responsible for cleanliness. Not sure how to get the paving sorted. Maybe it would be good for you to report it to the Council community wardens who are supposed to keep an eye on the forecourt because of the cleaning contract. Their email is nunhead&[email protected] Maybe Barry could say if there is another channel worth investigating.

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'twas just a rubbish joke, Eileen. Didn't seem rubbish - easily, given this Forum's psyche, it could have been a heart felt comment! The ? indicates a ... question anyway abt if he is or isn't biased... Maybe I am lacking in humour though I do laugh a lot on reading EDF posts.

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Local historian and author Brian Green, of Dulwich > Village> BUT HE'LL BE BIASED! No more than any other historian knowledgable about their home territory? :- Brian Green, who has written and lectured extensively on Dulwich?s history for many years, will explain the causes and effects of this urbanisation.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think you folks are missing the point of this > thread. If I may refer you to the opening post, > ?Local historian and author Brian Green, of > Dulwich Village, will be giving a fascinating > insight into the transformations of East Dulwich > and Dulwich Village in the Victorian period? > It isn?t really to do with our employers not > paying us enough to afford Georgian piles. well spotted Brendan This is some of the blurb just a click away... Brian Green writes ?East Dulwich was transformed from a pleasant rural area of farmland and hedgerows, studded here and there by Georgian mansions each with attractive gardens and winding paths, into a maze of small streets made up of similar but not identical Victorian terraced villas ? and it all happened within the space of 25 years. In and around Dulwich Village, the pace of change was slower. A handful of farms still supplied milk to local houses into the 20th Century and the area retained much of its open land, transformed from hay fields into playing fields. A wealthy elite built grandly on its surrounding hills, looked after by an army of domestic servants. Separating these two diverse communities was the commercial thoroughfare of Lordship Lane with its early chain stores and providing the transport links which daily transported many of the new population by tram, or train to their offices in London?. Brian Green, who has written and lectured extensively on Dulwich?s history for many years, will explain the causes and effects of this urbanisation.

Message from Southwark Rail Users' Group for all local rail users: Network Rail is launching the first ever Nationwide stations research project asking passengers what is important to them at their local station, where they would like to see investment and what are their priorities. See further information in their Press Release click here: http://www.bellenden.net/srug/news/network-rail-survey-stations This seems an opportunity not be missed to tell them what we think of our own stations - Peckham Rye, Queens Road Peckham, South Bermondsey, East Dulwich, Nunhead, Denmark Hill. Let's get lots of local users taking part so they really get the message about what needs to be improved. If you need another incentive - you might win an annual season ticket or ?2000.if you take part! The survey can be accessed online at http://www.networkrail.co.uk/actionstations... Click and check it out now! Southwark Rail Users' Group http://www.southwarkrailusers.net to join the email list email: [email protected]

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is a start - thanks. If it were repeated by teh > driver, even better. Indeed, the very sound of a > driver - only heard when there is a problem, it > seems - would do something to alert people to the > fact that there is someone 'in charge' and might > prevent anti-social behaviour to an extent. yes this seems a very good idea to try. Fantastic. I look forward with great pleasure to hearing such an announcement for the first time! Years of frustration fall away!

Local historian and author Brian Green, of Dulwich Village, will be giving a fascinating insight into the transformations of East Dulwich and Dulwich Village in the Victorian period at an illustrated talk at Dulwich Picture Gallery ? this Sunday, 22 November in aid of Dulwich Helpline. See more information at: http://dulwichonview.org.uk/2009/11/17/victorian-dulwich/ Anyone willing to go and give us a report back?

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Eileen, you make a reasoned point, but I got the > impression that most people were commenting on > behalf of where they live, as we tend to do. So > it sounds like a resounding - "No, we don't > believe there is an issue on our streets that we > think will be solved by residents' parking".> I lived in a residents' parking area previously, > and it was expensive and a pain in the neck. Well yes Moos. But I noticed that when someone says they think it would work in their location it stimulates a lot of anti messages, for good reasons. I just know that when we were threatened with an extension to the Peckham town centre CPZ here which would have affected a lot of new streets, some of the people who might actually have been helped by a small tweaking of the boundary found it hard to get a decent hearing. This was because those where it wouldn?t be sensible tended to make blanket statements about not wanting it at all in our overall area. And similarly, some who wanted it also made blanket statements about it being a good thing overall. So it diverted attention from the specifics. Just passing on that experience, that it is really important not to have blanket approaches and also to be very detailed in examining the precise issues even sometimes down to a junction or small part of a street. Indeed in this exchange JDR said (see November 15, 11:14PM above): ""Afraid that I'm going to completely disagree with most of the above. We are now part of the residents parking zone in Peckham. (Previously the first street with free parking to Peckham Rye station)."" That is very close to my street but it doesn?t invalidate that it can be wrong for my street while right for JDR?s.

JoJo09 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > no, no, noooooo to resident's parking! I love > being able to park outside my own house without > paying for the privilege and having to go through > both the council and royal mail everytime i need a > new permit. visitors = nightmare too. I had > permits in Merton but still could never get a > space outside my house, or even on my road a lot > of the time. I don?t want it either in my street because it wouldn?t solve our problem. But folks sometimes it DOES actually work. It all depends on exactly what the particular issues are in a particular street. Sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn?t. So blanket being against isn?t really the best thing to say. Can we all just say that sometimes it is exactly the wrong thing to do and sometimes it might be just right, but before you think it is the right thing to do you have to be VERY clear exactly what the issue is and if it will really cure without bad effects?

JDR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Afraid that I'm going to completely disgree with > most of the above. We are now part of the > residents parking zone in Peckham. (Previously > the first street with free parking to Peckham Rye > station). Hi JDR - sounds like we are in the same part of the Peckham area - west side of Rye Lane. I am in Nutbrook St which is 7 streets from Peckham Rye station. We are just on the edge of the CPZ and were worried that the extension to include Anstey Road would clog our street up during the day. But it hasn't. In fact our street is more full of cars in the evenings than the days most of the time. This just shows how the exact location is significant in whether a CPZ will help. So it wouldn?t at the moment in Nutbrook St, but does for you for understandable reasons as you are closer to the epicentre of town and station (can you say which street? - it would be interesting to know how close/distant you are to here). But I agree if visitor car parking really needs to be deterred one good solution is to have a short period of CPZ during the day to deter long term parkers and enable short term shoppers.

thelittlebigvoice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am getting so p******d off by the fact I cannot > park anywhere near my house any longer, due mainly > to the fact so many cars from outside the area are > parking up then catching busses into town - as its > free. > Please can we have residents parking !!! Littlebigvoice - which street are you in? It all depends on micro local circumstance whether it helps or not - what the details of the problem are - eg when the cars are there, how long for usually, and where they are comign from for what local purpose. In our street for example we are more likely to find no spaces in the evening (never been able to work out why!) when residents' parking controls would not help one bit. In other streets excessive long day commuter parking can be disrupted eg by a control of half an hour in the middle of the day.

Hi Ian ? I have been thinking for a long time it would be good to have our SNTs taking part in this so am glad you have taken it up. See below for a precedent here from one SNT that covers part of SE22, ie South Camberwell. In your cluster, Peckham Rye covers part of SE22 also so you would be following in their footsteps. In relation to PeckhamGateCrasher?s comment re The Lane - I know there are lots of us Forumites who are in SE15 postcode who are as close or closer to Lordship Lane ? the epicenter of East Dulwich - as many in a SE22 postcode (though I know that strays onto risky territory in this Forum?) . My street is on or close to the border of 3 Community Councils, and 4 SNTs, and for common sense we have to be pragmatic about all this. POLICE POST FROM SEPTEMBER 2009 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,345499,345499#msg-345499 Hello we represent one of the safer neighbourhood teams covering part of the SE22 post code area. We are always here to help with any policing or crime problems you have. We cover Champion Hill, Dog Kennel Hill and Denmark Hill as well as most of the roads in between. You can contact us by emailing [email protected] or calling us on 02087212448. If you are unsure who your local team are and you are not in the areas mentioned above then please follow this link and enter your postcode to find your local team [www.met.police.uk]. To contact police in an emergency please always dial 999 or to report minor crime call 03001231212 or online at [online.met.police.uk]

Manda Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Eileen, it's worth another shot I guess. > Have found The Lane SNT really ineffectual in the > past, problem isn't going away though, so > something has to be done. Hi Manda - this is where the ward panel can be useful as the team are held to account if it is taken as a priority. But for this to work residents have to go to the panel meeting. It is worth it in a case like this so hope you can go. Can you encourage anyone else who has been affected to go?

Hi folks - here is the response from The Lane Safer Neighbourhoods Team - see below. Basically they invite anyone concerned about this to the next SNT Ward Panel meeting on Wed 25 Nov 7pm at MacDonald's Rye Lane, beside Peckham Rye station. (meeting room is above the restaurant, no complimentary burgers...!) If you have any other police/safety issues in The Lane ward this is also the meeting to get to, and/or get yourself onto the mailing list - email address below. REPLY FROM THE LANE POLICE Eileen, I am acting sergeant on the ward for the foreseeable future. Please make the forum aware and place a formal invite for the people concerned to our attend our Next ward panel meeting .It is at MacDonald's Rye Lane at 1900 hours on 25th November 2009. The matter can be discussed there and whether Motor vehicle crime in that area needs to be a new priority. Colin Balman. A/PS BALMAN 232 MD LANE SAFER NEIGHBOURHOOD TEAM Peckham Police Station 177 PECKHAM HIGH STREET LONDON SE15 5SL phone: 0207 232 7112 email: [email protected]

Dear Barry - hear hear! to this suggestion. If the company would run a well publicised campaign to stop people putting their feet on the seats, I am sure many rail users would support that, some of us enthusiastically and be emboldened to ask people to stop. I do ask sometimes when I get the courage but it is really hard to do it without any supportive campaign by the company. Is that something you could take up for us? Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Barry, > Could you tell me what our train company is doing > to prevent people from littering trains and > stations and resting their feet on seats? Some > companies have put stickers inside train > carriages. I think yours should do so too, and ask > drivers to make announcements to the same effect. > The default position for lots of people, from > schoolkids to Guardian-reading professionals, is > to plonk themseleves down and immediately put > their feet on the seat opposite. It's infuriating! > > I do ask people to take them down myself, so I am > not asking your company to do something I wouldn't > do, even though I maintain it is its > responsibility to do so. > I look forward to your reply. > N

Hi LibraCarr - I didn't see the Metro piece so can't vouch for its accuracy. But yes there was a decision to terminate the SLL and that is what the campaign is trying to reverse. There are two ends to the SLL with different issues to be overcome: * the decision that we didn't need a direct service to Victoria in the evenings and on Sundays and wouldn't be provided with one. That has been conceded, and they are looking to see how that could be provided. But the Mayor and the Minister keep battling in public about who should pay for whatever they can devise. * the decison that SLL can't have any of the terminating platform space at London Bridge. We now have won a commitment that this will also be reviewed, though no guarantee of success yet on that one. All is still to play for. So now we have both ends of the SLL in the review which was essential if we are to make any headway in getting the whole link restored. Hope that is clearer than mud. The summary of the campaign which also might help is on the http://www.southwarkrailusers.net pages at http://www.bellenden.net/rail-cuts LibraCarr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi, > > I read a article in the Metro newspaper (on the > transport page) on Monday stating quite clearly > that the service was going to be terminated. > I am a little confused, have the Metro > journalist's got it wrong? > Kind regards, > Libra Carr.

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PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And Boris was on telly last night bigging it up. Hi PeckhamRose - I didn't see this. Can you say what the impression would be for the viewer what the issue was and what had or not been achieved by the Boris intervention? It would be helpful to know how it is coming across. At least, we have now broken through the local ghetto and made it onto the London stage. That is a big step forward.

intexasatthe moment Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well as time is short - comments in by 17 Nov - > and as name and phone number have already been in > SLP , if anyone feels that they would like to have > their view considered - > the contact details for person dealing with this > is > Clement Aygei-Frempong 0207 525 2305 ( which is > a direct line ) > Clement.Aygei-Frempong > or I guess I could email him with a link to this > thread ? yes definitely do this asap.

Gimme Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SLL Campaign seems to be achieving really > impressive momentum. I'm always a bit sceptical > about how much home-spun single issue campaigns > can achieve (look what 1 million people marching > against the Iraq war managed) but it seems like > you are doing really well. Hopefully the momentum > will continue gathering pace and you achieve what > you are aiming to achieve. > One in the eye for the service-cutters! Thanks from the Campaign for this appreciation. One of the excellent achievements has been the coming together of all 4 main parties to be part of the broad Campaign coaliton. What we aim for is for the current review of services to be as thorough as it needs to be. We have made huge progress in getting not only the services to Victoria reviewed but also now the latest news that they are definitely reviewing the issues at London Bridge see http://www.bellenden.net/srug/news/success-%E2%80%93-tfl-review-cover-london-bridge A summary of achievements so far can be found on the Southwark Rail Users' Group webpage at: http://www.bellenden.net/rail-cuts#news

Gimme Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SLL Campaign seems to be achieving really > impressive momentum. I'm always a bit sceptical > about how much home-spun single issue campaigns > can achieve (look what 1 million people marching > against the Iraq war managed) but it seems like > you are doing really well. Hopefully the momentum > will continue gathering pace and you achieve what > you are aiming to achieve. > One in the eye for the service-cutters! Thanks from the Campaign for this appreciation. One of the excellent achievements has been the coming together of all 4 main parties to be part of the broad Campaign coaliton. What we aim for is for the current review of services to be as thorough as it needs to be. We have made huge progress in getting not only the services to Victoria reviewed but also now the latest news that they are definitely reviewing the issues at London Bridge see http://www.bellenden.net/srug/news/success-%E2%80%93-tfl-review-cover-london-bridge A summary of achievements so far can be found on the Southwark Rail Users' Group webpage at: http://www.bellenden.net/rail-cuts#news

I live just along the road from this junction. You are right. Cars do get done there. I have also been a victim. I have copied your post to the The Lane Safer Neighboirhood Team police to ask them what can be done.

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Hi LibraCarr It would be a good thing if you and anyone else who wants to use the East Croydon service email Tessa Jowell MP about it. [email protected]. When it was cut a year ago she said she would continue to press for it. We need to keep it on the agenda to try to get it back in some future revision of services. And PS when you email an elected rep like that it is always useful to send a copy to the local press/letters page. It doubles the effect: [email protected], [email protected] [email protected], [email protected] Eileen LibraCarr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yet again I have travelled up from the south coast > and changed at East Croydon in the hope of getting > a straight through train to East Dulwich. I was > again disapointed to note that I had to get to > Streatham Common to make a connection (waiting 18 > minutes for a train) and then after five trains > (About 45 minutes of waiting) at Streatham Common > my train finally came in. > Quite clearly, East Croydon is a large area with > shopping and businesses as well, why are there > trains to and from West Croydon and no direct > trains to and from the East Station. > Quite clearly, Southern has the inability to > identify customer flow and should note the amount > of passengers on the London Bridge to East Croydon > route. > If they are not capable of providing a service > should we not campaign to get another company that > can provide a service - or is it only me that > wants to get a connection to and from East > Croydon? > Libra Carr.