Eileen

Klaus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've lost count of the number of accidents > involving cyclists at the junction by the Rye > Hotel. I live opposite this junction and it's > always the same scenario: cars turning left in to > Scylla Road plough into cyclists carrying up the > eastern part of Peckham Rye. I've seen ambulances > there at least 3 times. In my opinion, the cycle > lane that separates cyclists from traffic (for a > few yards) does more harm than good. It appears to > make motorists forget that the cyclist thery've > just overtaken is there. This junction is further along and away from the set of junctions to be examined at the meeting on Wednesday. But yr comments on the Rye Hotel/Scylla Rd junction can be fed into the traffic & transport group of residents and Council that meets every two months in the town hall. This is a sub group of the Nunhead & Peckham Rye Community Council. New members of that are very welcome. Any one who wants to contribute to this group should email [email protected] > > With regards to cars getting caught out at the > entrance to Rye Lane: the less cars that use Rye > Lane the better. It should be purely for shoppers > and buses. Exactly. But those of us who use that area, and drivers that have got caught, know all too well that it is badly signposted and the layout needs a lot of improvement. That work is what is now happening. We also now have the opportunity to help by contributing our local knowledge starting with the meeting on Wednesday. Anyone who knows that area, and is available, please do come on Wednesday and see the initial designs, and help get them even better.

There have been numerous discussions on the Forum about the problems at the south of Rye Lane where drivers get caught out by the no entries for cars. There have also been some people killed trying to cross the road in that area. it isn't a good experience for pedestrians or cyclists either. The Council have managed to scrape funding from several sources to try to design an integrated solution to a variety of problems in that vicinity. They have also listened to local people and are inviting us to help with the design. So if you ever walk, cycle, use the buses, ride a motor bike, or drive a car through any part of the junctions at the south end of Rye Lane, you will be interested in the meeting and walkabout next Wednesday 27 May, 5pm-7pm. See below the Council details for this. If you can't attend but have comments, post them up here and they can be fed in. ____________________________________________________________ Invitation from Southwark Council Dear Stakeholder,? You are invited to attend a design workshop to discuss new proposals for highway, public realm and road safety improvements between Rye Lane (junction with Heaton Road & Sternhall Lane) and Peckham Rye (junctions with Nigel Road and Philip Walk). The meeting will be held on? WEDNESDAY 27th MAY 5pm-7pm meeting first at The CLF Art Cafe, 1st Floor Bussey Building 133 Rye Lane, London SE15 3ST (entrance opposite Blenheim Grove near station) Southwark Council has joined together funding from recent development contributions with Transport for London's LIP, cycling and road safety budgets to drive forward a large scheme for this important location. Under discussion will be: ?proposed new facilities for pedestrians and cyclists; ?proposed new trees and landscaping; ?proposed changes to traffic operation at the junction of Rye Lane and Sternhall Road; and, ?the proposed redevelopment of the public space outside the Nags Head Pub. During the workshop you'll be given the opportunity to collaborate with Southwark's engineers and designers, and to help make sure the proposals make the most of this great opportunity to improve the area. The event will start at the above venue, where we can take a look at current plans of the proposals, and then move on to a 'walkabout', where we can discuss the challenges and opportunities of the scheme on site. ?? I hope you are able to attend. Please reply letting me know whether you can so that we have an idea of numbers attending. Kind Regards? Chris Gibney, [email protected] On behalf of Southwark Council

Mrs Y Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why not hold your party in Peckham Rye Park on the Common Well it is nice to have a party in the Park or on the Common but that is not like a street party. The idea there is to have a party with your immediate neighbours in your own territory. It is possible that if the Big Lunch is a Government sponsored thing they may waive usual fees for street closure etc. But the website just ain't clear enough on such practical details and has no FAQ to ask!

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I tried, Eileen. I think you have to be on > Facebook to make it work. I have looked and it redirects you to the Big Lunch site!

Has anyone come across this idea of a big street party across the nation on Sunday 19 July - www.thebiglunch.com? Anyone organising one? There is alleged to be one in Bellenden Road but so far a few of us have failed to penetrate the obscurity of the website to make contact with the people organising it. I have heard that it is a Government project though it is not clear from the site who is orginally behind it. But if it is a Government project maybe that is why it doesn't seem be very well geared to the local networks that need to be galvanised to make this happen? We can't even make contact with other keen people who have registered!

zephyr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > but is it a reduction if it does not already > exist. I frequently use Nunhead and would agree > that the Victoria service at the moment is a pain > - I generally use the service the Elephant instead > and that even goes strainght to St Pancras, > Kentish Town, Luton and St Albans now. In this case yes it is in practice a reduction. Not for Nunhead, but for Peckham Rye, Denmark Hill, Clapham High St and Wandsworth Road. In 2012 they will each lose 2 tph to Victoria because the Victoria - Bellingham service, that was planned to take the place of the trains lost by the cut of the London Bridge - Victoria service, would not exist.

Gimme Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Am I the only person who doesn't have the foggiest > idea where Bellingham is...? > Is there something there that I'd like? I am sure you are in crowded company. I had to Google it ? Peckham Rye-Nunhead-Crofton Park-Catford-Bellingham. But the key point is not whether you want to go to Bellingham from here, but whether you want to go to Victoria. Wherever the train comes from, if we lose it, it means a reduction in our services to Victoria. That is the impact for us of the axing of the Victoria-Bellingham planned service ? 2tph (trains an hour) lost; and the one Victoria service left (2tph), not running in the evenings or early mornings. The subject of my original post, which was the South London Line, was changed. That was more useful as the posting was about the continuing reductions in our direct services into central London, and labeling it with Bellingham detracted from that. I hope to post more news in a new thread shortly.

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Eileen, > I like Peckham Rye station on paper, but please > could you tell me why the grafitti not removed as > soon as it is sprayed on? There is stuff that has > been there for ages and it really brings the place > down. Hi Nero - yes the graffiti is awful. What a pity there isn't an effective way to deter them and redirect their energy, enthusaism and some creativity into more positive things. But in the meantime it is the costly cycle of remove and new graffiti and remove and ... It is though the responsibility of Southern Rail and Network Rail to clear it off. Barry - can you tell us the latest news?

tommy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi Barry. Being nosey, but are there plans to use > that lovely big room off platform 2 (I think) at > Peckham Rye. Its the platform that goes takes me > into Blackfriars in the morning> > Could it be a new waiting room / cafe ? I look forward to hearing Barry's latest news. In the meantime, I can give a bit of background and some news on this to supplement that. The original windows have now been unbricked and restored. They were bricked up about 50 years ago after the original waiting room had been used for a long time as a billiard hall. The drive for this came from residents and the Peckham Society in the Rye Lane & Station Action Group. We managed to get the Council and Southern Rail interested and then agreeing, and this has led finally to the end of the first stage - i.e. to get the room visible again to stimulate interest in it. We want it back in use as a public space of some sort. All ideas for this, and suggestions of potential investors and funders welcomed! You can get more info here: www.peckhamvision.org and the Peckham Society news and recent internal photos on it here www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/images/0/03/Station_CGS_bid.pdf

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Knowing the craving public bodies have for endless > research, I can' imagine anyone missed up the > chance by making decisions based on hunches. It looks as if they did in this case...

Michael Palaeologus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought that the whole idea of re-organising the > transport links was to relieve pressure on the > central London stations; in this case London > Bridge and Victoria? The London Overground (known > to all as the East London Line Extension) will > take people to transport nodes to the east and > west of the centre, thus allowing folks heading to > the City/Canary Wharf or points west to do so > without needing to travel through these already > congested central stations. Yes this is a key purpose for the new orbital link which will be completed by the East London Line Extension between Surrey Quays and Clapham Juncation. > > Given that the ELLE has now been confirmed, it is > inevitable that some existing or planned services > will change as part of this re-wiring of the > transport system. This was always the plan. > Yes but the reorganizing spelt out in the South London RUS (Rail Utilisation Strategy) that was consulted on last year made it crystal clear that this Victoria-Bellingham service was part of that re-wiring to replace part of what was lost by the axing of the South London Line Victoria-London Bridge service in 2012. i.e. this Victoria-Bellingham service is part of the plan that was approved by the Rail Regulator. No other part of the rail industry, never mind simple users, were consulted about this significant change in what had just been agreed as part of the plan. > The advantages for us is that we will at last be > on the Underground map (albeit overground) and a > wider spread of travel, the disadvantage is that > we will lose the convenience of some direct > services; BUT, how many of us actually work in > Victoria or London Bridge? Some, but most just > pass through. The campaign aims to ensure that this data is acquired and made public. It is just not sensible to plan such major infrastructure on guesses and hunches and anecdotes about who travels when and where, and what the trends might be given the regeneration and housing developments happening in this swathe of inner south London.

Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I read this > http://www.peckhamvision.org/brg/srug/save-our-sou > th-london-line-campaign and it told me nothing and > then it asks me to sign a petition and email lots > of people with my views. But it gave the key links to take you to the place where it was explained in much more detail. The key place for background on this is the preamble to the petition, and that is why it is the first link, as it enables you to read the detail before deciding to sign the petition. Would love to spell out this in detail for the first webpage but few would read that far! > This tells me more > http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php?id=64 > 3 but says "Particular losers as a result of the > proposed changes will be those travelling to > Victoria from ... East Dulwich" and as far as I'm > aware trains don't go to Victoria from East > Dulwich. Or was this the service that was proposed > but has now been scrapped in a secretive deal? The service in question is between stations Bellingham and Victoria via Peckham Rye & Denmark Hill. The LTW press release is confused as the service in question doesn?t go through East Dulwich station, though it does serve East Dulwich residents who use Peckham Rye or Denmark Hill stations. Pity London Travel Watch is so hazy about the geography round here. When I spoke to their Press Office and pointed out the confusion this would cause (now demonstrated by this exchange) they said it was OK as they meant East Dulwich area not the station, and Nunhead and Peckham areas were in East Dulwich.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's Sunday and maybe I am slow... but what is > being cut doesn't actually exist? It was a planned > service and now, because of budgetary reasons, it > isn't happening? Which is disappointing.. but > outrageous and secret? Yes. Read the petition - see the link above, and if you want more detail look at either of the pages in the further background links shown above.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I didn't need to - Eileen posted about the same > thing last year Sean - please read the further background links and you will see this is NEW and ADDITIONAL cuts.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A planned change? Or a secret deal? > > I can see why people don't like the changes, but > what is with the "secret deal"?? It's been known > about for ages hasn't it? No, this is totally new - it is the cancellation of the plans for a new service between Victoria and Bellingham in 2012. This was planned to *replace* in part the to-be-axed Victoria-London Bridge (South London Line(SLL) service. It was a key part of the South London Rail Utilisation Strategy, agreed by the Office of the Rail Regulator. The result would be that, in additon to the two trains an hour to London Bridge lost through the axing of the SLL, two tph to Victoria would be lost. Those losses have to be added to the 2 tph to London Bridge lost through the recent cut of the service to East Croydon. The secrecy aspect is that NO ONE even in the rail industry outside TfL and DfT knew aything about it. It slipped out in exchanges bewteen Clapham Transport Users' Group and the DfT. Rail User Groups alerted others, and London Travel Watch have criticised it as deceitful. see the * further background links above on Victoria link traded for ELLX2 and Victoria services under threat.

If you use the local rail services you will be interested in the latest local rail news from Southwark Rail Users' Group (SRUG) http://www.peckhamvision.org/brg/srug There has been a secret deal between TfL and DfT (Dept for Transport) to axe the planned Victoria-Bellingham service (via Denmark Hill & Peckham Rye). A campaign to reverse this is starting. You can help: * sign the web petition - see http://www.gopetition.com/online/27426.html * join the Facebook group - * further background - Victoria link traded for ELLX2 , Victoria services under threat This latest decision, like the one to axe the Victoria-Denmark Hill-London Bridge service in 2012, shows the low priority the rail industry gives to our inner south London connections into central London. We have to change that. Take action now! ____________________________________________________________ ACTIONS * email your views: to Lord Adonis (the Rail Minister) at: [email protected] to Boris Johnson at: [email protected] cc to your elected representatives (select from list at end) cc to the local press: [email protected], [email protected] * please forward this email to your friends and neighbours * email [email protected] to get on the mailing list to be kept up to date. ___________________________________________________________ CAMPAIGN AIMS The campaign asks the Department for Transport and the London Mayor * to rescind the decision to remove the vital SLL (South London Line) train service which runs between Victoria and London Bridge via Battersea Park, Wandsworth Rd, Clapham High Street, Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye, Queens Rd Peckham and South Bermondsey. * to extend the platform lengths at Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road stations to allow the existing Dartford to Victoria services to call there. * to extend the existing SLL service beyond London Bridge to Charing Cross. The campaign also calls for Southwark & Lambeth Councils to join in lobbying the Mayor of London for the retention of the South London Line Services. ____________________________________________________________ Some elected representatives: * Southwark MPs: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] * London Assembly Member, Lambeth & Southwark: [email protected] London Assembly Member & Southwark Councillor: [email protected] * South Camberwell ward, Denmark Hill station: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] * The Lane ward, Peckham Rye station: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] * Nunhead ward, Queens Road Peckham station: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] * Southwark Council Leader: [email protected] Southwark Council Executive Member for Transport: [email protected]

hello Barry - this is a great initiative. Congrats on it. It will really help communications both ways. Rail users of all our local stations (Peckham Rye, Queens Road, Nunhead, Denmark Hill as well as East Dulwich and North Dulwich) visit this web forum so it will help for all of those stations. They are all yours except for Nunhead. We will put a link to it on the SRUG (Southwark Rail Users Group) webpages to be found on - http://www.peckhamvision.org/brg/srug

dc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bellenden has a long history. The local authority > ward was called 'Bellenden' from at least the > early 60s until it disappeared following boundary > changes in 2002. What used to be Bellenden > (basically the area around Bellenden Road but also > including part of East Dulwich as far down as > Northcross Road across to Barry Road) has been > split four ways into Peckham Rye, The Lane (as in > Rye Lane), South Camberwell and East Dulwich. > There was (and may still be) a Bellenden Residents > Group which covered the 'Rye Lane West' area. yes there is, brought to life in 2001 by the agonies of living in the middle of the Bellenden Renewal Scheme. New website just developing, temporarily hosted by peckhamvision website. see http://www.peckhamvision.org/brg/ Map there shows the area of Bellenden and also Rye Lane West.

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely that's just a joke from an Only Fools and > Horses episode. No, no joke! I saw a sign there somewhere saying exactly that as well as estate agents using it in adverts... But PS The area around Peckham High Street IS the old historic Peckham Village. See http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Historic_Peckham That is the real Peckham Village, rather than the recent development. But it is so close why quibble...

Don't forget 'Peckham Village' which is the development between Peckham High Street and Commercial Way where the Camden and Sumner Estates used to be ...

INDOMIE Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why do people think this forum gets so many more > comments that se5forum and dare i say it even the > might se1 forum? It's the best designed for ease of use.

The station manager has explained the reasons for the timing of the meet the manager sessions: ** London Victoria and London Bridge stations hold meet the manager sessions so commuters could express concerns and raise issues. The whole purpose of my meet the manager session at Peckham was so passengers travelling after peak who don't normally get into London would have a chance of meeting with us, for example mothers, the elderly etc Normal commuters have the chance to air their views at two major locations hence having this one slightly later. ** This seems fair enough.

> > > Why is this meeting timed for when everyone > who > > > uses the station will be trying to get to or > be > > at > > > work. Not very helpful. > > > > I thought that was deliberate - so that people > > could stop by on their way in or out of the > > station. It wasn't a 'meeting' - - more a drop > in > > on your way in and out (I thought). > > In that case, having it from 7.30 to 10.30 in > future might be more useful since it's unlikely > many commuters could drop by at 8.30, ask a > question, get it answered and still make it > upstairs to catch a train to get into the office > for 9 particularly if they were heading for > Victoria.> > Or do it in the evening from 5.30 to 7.30? Many > people are rushing in the morning - they time > their arrival at the station to catch their train > so don't have the time to stop for a chat. Going > home, they're more likely to be able to take a few > minutes since buses come more frequently than > trains and there's less pressure to be somewhere > on time. I have passed this on to the station manager.

Anyone who was interested in the outcome of the SRUG (Southwark Rail Users' Group) meeting last November, and is not on the SRUG mailing list, can now see the minutes on (the start of) a new website currently at: http://www.peckhamvision.org/brg/srug [click Meetings in the Topics column to get to the minutes quickly] There are also some updates, on the same SRUG page there, on the East London Line Extension Phase 2 (to Clapham Junction through Peckham Rye), the South London Line issues, the East Croydon-London Bridge service, and Peckham Rye station improvements. Further information, or enquiries on SRUG matters, and request to be on the mailing list, please email [email protected]

bigbadwolf Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why is this meeting timed for when everyone who > uses the station will be trying to get to or be at > work. Not very helpful. I thought that was deliberate - so that people could stop by on their way in or out of the station. It wasn't a 'meeting' - - more a drop in on your way in and out (I thought).