Eileen

did mine yesterday and thought of the good old days when we all did it as a matterof course when the snow first fell then it didnt leave icy patches. Our road surface is a sheet of ice and cars go along at 3 mph (good thing...) If we had each cleared our bit of street of loose snow the first day, it wouldn't have compacted in the middle into ice...

------------------------------------------------------- > Ted Max Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > > I won't be able to meet the manager as I'll be > at work, but if anyone does, can they ask him or > her for a solution to the stairs-only >policy (ie > a lift), to do something about the flooding at he > bottom of the various staircases when it rains, > and to occasionally turn on the >permit to travel > machine at peak times, when people are queuing > out the hall. > >>> > This is the reply from Barry Jones station manager: **In all we had about 20 passengers approached us, most of the issues raised were about accessibility and these have been forwarded to the relevant department within Southern. The leaks are being rectified, the whole booking hall will be redecorated once completed. The purpose of the "Permit to Travel" is only for when we have closures... the rules do state that passengers must have a valid ticket to travel, this is why we promote season tickets and have also introduced weekly etc on our ticket machines. Sorry, not a lot I can do on this one.**

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Congrats on your award Eileen. Thanks :) >>> > I won't be able to meet the manager as I'll be at work, but if anyone does, can they ask him or her for a solution to the stairs-only >policy (ie a lift), to do something about the flooding at he bottom of the various staircases when it rains, and to occasionally turn on the >permit to travel machine at peak times, when people are queuing out the hall. >>> I emailed the main manager these Qs. Will post up any reply. Did anyone reading this meet the Managers? if yes can you tell us the outcome?

OutOfFocus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can you give more details of the list - is it just for announcements or is it for discussion. Hi - It is more than annoucements. Southwark Rail Users Group is evolving. It aims: To enable local rail users to get together To keep track of planning for rail services To get local rail users' perspectives into rail services planning To lobby for improvements to services & stations. The list is its way of communicating with all who have said they are interested. There are about 250 on the list now. There were nearly 70 at the November public meeting so there was quite a lot of discussion at that. The detailed minutes and material from the November meeting will be ready very soon and will be emailed to the list. Various actions may flow from that. Anyone who would like to become better informed about their rail services and take part when there is any discussion or other action will need to join the list to be sure they keep track...:))

For all those who use Peckham Rye station, here is a new opportunity to meet the people who manage the station and the services. The first MEET THE MANAGER AT PECKHAM RYE STATION will take place on Thursday 29th January in the ticket hall, between 0830 and 1100. Southern Rail managers will be at Peckham Rye station to answer your questions and listen to your comments. If you want to be on the Southwark Rail Users' Group (SRUG) mailing list please say.

cate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was told, a few years ago, by an elderly > neighbour that roads like Fenwick Rd SE15 used to > be in East Dulwich but were moved because of > election boundaries? Anyone know about that? I've been here since 1973 in a street next to Fenwick Rd. All streets north of East Dulwich Rd have been SE15 during that time and I have no knowledge of a postcode change before that. Before 2002 the streets between McDermott Rd and East Dulwich Road (now in the heart of the area called 'Bellenden') were in the same ward - Bellenden(!) Ward - as the SE22(!) streets from East Dulwich Rd to North Cross Road! Bellenden Ward disappeared in 2002 and was replaced in the north half with The Lane Ward, and in the south half by Peckham Rye Ward and the East Dulwich Ward (boundary along Crystal Place Road). All these are boundaries that divide these local natural neighourhoods between parliamentary constituencies and Community Councils as well as Wards...

I called to eat at Blue Mounatian just after the incident. The ambulance was just taking the staff member to hospital who had been atacked. It was all shocking and horrible.

It would be really good if travellers suffering from the loss of the East Croydon-London Bridge service would email their experiences, like these detailed in this discussion, to the Southwark News and South London Press. [email protected], [email protected] This way we can keep the issue in the public eye. If you post a comment in this discussion, just copy and paste and edit as necessary and send off as an email. Just another few minutes effective effort!

some categories to consider in case they haven't been mentioned: grocers, chemists, hairdressers, health service/practitioners, builders/tradespeople, gardeners, car repairers

does anyone know who owns the Foxton's building?

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Install a double-decker car park at Sainsbury's > with ticketed parking, and impose residents > parking restrictions on roads surrounding LL. Hi H - I like yr vision of LL, but do you really mean Sainsbury's (?on Dog Kennel Hill) for the car parking? Wouldn't that just mean they would all tootle into Sainsbury's and forget LL? While other foot traffic would arrive in LL, that might remove a lot of current shoppers.

Eddie M Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> Overall, things like rail timetables do have to > change and develop over time, otherwise we'd all > have the same service pattern from ages ago. And > such changes need not all be bad news. For > example, I think I'm right in saying (though > perhaps Eileen can confirm?) that from March next > year, the Blackfriars trains from Nunhead, Peckham > Rye and Denmark Hill will run through Blackfriars > to City Thameslink, Farringdon, St Pancras > International and beyond. So there can be positive > as negative changes. Yes this is true. We are getting our services through Blackfriars back - a result of the restructuring there and no where for them to stop!

local rail users might like to respond to this on-line survey from Tessa Jowell MP about the loss of the two trains an hour service between London Bridge and East Croydon, which goes through East Dulwich and Peckham Rye stations: loss of the link to East Croydon and Gatwick, and loss of two trains an hour to London Bridge. __________________________________________________________________________ EMAIL FROM TESSA JOWELL MP I hope you do not mind me sending you this email but it is about an issue that I know is of importance to many people living in my constituency. ? I am concerned?that a?new rail timetable that commences on 14 December will remove two trains per hour from the off-peak timetable on the service running to London Bridge through Gipsy Hill, West Norwood, Tulse Hill, North Dulwich and East Dulwich. I opposed these changes with Southern Rail and the?Department for Transport but, surprisingly,?a passenger representative group?supported them?and they will now go ahead. The new timetable provides four off-peak trains to and from London Bridge every hour instead of the current six. The trains to be removed are the ones that run every half hour from London Bridge to/from?Smitham via East Croydon. ? The peak service is?unaffected. I want to hear your views about how these changes will affect you. Please?take a few minutes to complete my survey by clicking on the link below or by pasting it into your browser:? ? http://www.tessajowell.net/rail_survey ? You can be assured that I will use your response?to support local rail users in getting the best possible service when timetables are being revised. ? With best wishes, ? Tessa Jowell (Member of Parliament for Dulwich & West Norwood)

I am told by the Administrator that my post on policing priorities has been moved to the lounge, as it is not East Dulwich specific. I can see that this is strictly true, but of course policing priorities are built up by the collective local policing issues and priorities. So people commenting on policing issues in the light of East Dulwich experience is a valid thing to do. That is why it didn't occur to me that it was not East Dulwich specific. There have been a number of discussions on this forum about safety and crime and policing so there is clearly local interest in such matters. Sorry it is not on the general page, as I assume fewer people will see it. But if you are reading this maybe you could think also abt East Dulwich local experiences of policing and see if that produces any comments that you want to make on police priorities. I am sure that the policy makers and police planners will find that useful, and can work out how the local translates to the London wide if you don't want to or can't comment on that.

See below an email from the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) asking the public if they will fill in an on-line short questionnaire giving their views on policing priorities. The completed questionnaire needs to be submitted by 1st December. ___________________________________________________________ Email from MPA: Have Your Say on Policing in London The Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) is consulting on London's policing priorities for 2010/11. We are interested in your opinion. Please take part in a short questionnaire to tell us your views. To complete a questionnaire click on Questionnaires need to submitted by 1st December 2008. We look forward to hearing your views on policing in London. Are the police focusing on areas that are important to you? The MPS (Metropolitan Police Service) policing priorities are reviewed every year. We hope the short online questionnaire will help you to tell us what you think: * What are your top three priorities for policing in London? * Why do you choose these priorities? * What should the MPS be doing to tackle these priorities? The current policing priorities can be found on the MPA website within the Policing London business plan at Please take part and have your say on policing in London. Thanks for taking part in the survey.

See below an email from the Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) asking the public if they will fill in an on-line short questionnaire giving their views on policing priorities. The completed questionnaire needs to be submitted by 1st December. ___________________________________________________________ Email from MPA: Have Your Say on Policing in London The Metropolitan Police Authority (MPA) is consulting on London's policing priorities for 2010/11. We are interested in your opinion. Please take part in a short questionnaire to tell us your views. To complete a questionnaire click on Questionnaires need to submitted by 1st December 2008. We look forward to hearing your views on policing in London. Are the police focusing on areas that are important to you? The MPS (Metropolitan Police Service) policing priorities are reviewed every year. We hope the short online questionnaire will help you to tell us what you think: * What are your top three priorities for policing in London? * Why do you choose these priorities? * What should the MPS be doing to tackle these priorities? The current policing priorities can be found on the MPA website within the Policing London business plan at Please take part and have your say on policing in London. Thanks for taking part in the survey. End of MPA email

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- But just > how exactly does one get rid of Lloyds TSB, > Jenny's and the rest? Not fast, and sensitively. You will find some answers to this in the Council's report 'Peckham Rye Station: the Case for Change'. It was launched in Peckham yesterday November 21 by the Leader of the Council Nick Stanton with the support of Harriet Harman MP, Valerie Shawcross, GLA Member, and members of Southwark Council, and various other assorted bods,and in the presence of Network Rail owners of the land and property in question. The report explains the ownership issues, the scope for transformation, and how the economics make a genuine business case, and has lots of pictures. You can download a copy from http://www.southwark.gov.uk/YourCommunity/NunheadPeckhamRye The steady work of all parties concerned will continue, to get this achieved: step by step. The last breakthrough was last year when all the levels of elected representatives from MP, GLA, Southwark Council, ward coucnillors of ALL the political parties agreed.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Some time back on this forum, Louisa posted some > cracking pictures of Peckham Rye station (which I > imagine can be found on the websites lined to on > this thread) and it truly is fantastic. Two pictures of the station: * after it was built. * as it is today...

Hollybush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps we should be more honest about where we > are and make plans for a PLACE or a SQUARE rather > than a piazza etc. What is wrong with using > English terms? Foreign terms can sound > pretentious, like the 'Centrale' development in > Croydon which noone seems to know whether to put a > French accent on for! Good point. For some reason since we started seriously working on this idea 4 years ago of opening up the space in front of the station it got called a piazza and it stuck. Perhaps we should refer to it as the station square.

Grotty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As a first time buyer who finally achieved some > kind of deposit after years saving only to be told > that 10% meant nothing in this market, i am > looking further afield than the peckham rye/east > dulwich outskirts i had hoped for....seen some > truly lovely, completely affordable and rather > generously sized properties in roads set between > peckham high st and old kent rd. Said roads are > also amidst the high rises/low rises that have > brought peckham its infamy. I have been told by > acquaintances that this area should be a > no-go....noise, fighting, police, helicopters as a > daily occurrence with people too scared to come > out of their front doors ??!!??. Is it really this > bad? I grew up in peckham rye and have never felt > unsafe around peckham but am i to be floored by > the reputation of the "inner depths of peckhams > worst"....please help.... visit St John's Church 10 Meeting House Lane one Sunday and ask them. They must know what it is really like to live round there if it's anywhere near Queens Road/Asylum Road you are thinking of. Or similarly go to any church on a Sunday in the neighbourhood you are interested in. Good place to get a feel for an area talking to the congregation members and the local vicar...

Lewis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was unable to attend the meeting due to a > previous commitment but as the Cllr responsible > for heritage I am hoping to see the Peckham > Society to discuss outcomes. > > Lewis Thanks Lewis. This is great. We have lots to discuss and will be in touch.

PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Went past Greenwich station the other day, it > really does look lovely all opened out - just > think - Peckham Rye station could look like that. > > OK back from work - how did the meeting go? Excellent. there were about 30 of us and we had a great discussion about the role of Conservation Areas in leading and stimulating regeneration. Some key things were coming out for Peckham about the Council's Plannning Core Strategy consultation which ends on 15 December. Will post something up in next few days when there is a moment to catch breath... In meantime if you want to know about the Core Strategy visit http://www.southwark.gov.uk/YourServices/planningandbuildingcontrol/planningpolicy/localdevelopmentframework/corestrategy.html and tell us what you think it means...

peckhamboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As far as I know, the change to Denmark Hill > services is that there will be no London Bridge to > Victoria train. There will still be a twice-hourly > service between LB and Denmark Hill though - it > just doesn't go on to Victoria. I always use ED > for LB trains so don't know if that is a reduction > from the current service. The DH-Victoria service > will only be run by Southeastern, not sure if > there's any change to that service, but guess > there may be a reduction of 2 trains per hour due > to the Southern service being taken away? This is not quite right. The changes that are currently planned are: 1. December 2008 - stopping the two trains per hour between London Bridge and East Croydon. This is fixed in the new time table now out, but can be reversed in the next timetable if pressure to change it is successful. There is also the new South Central franchise which will be awarded next summer and thet will lead to serivce and timetable changes, whichmight include a reintroduction of this service. 2. 2012 - the ending of the South London Line (SLL) between London Bridge and Vcitoria via Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill. This cut would end the direct service between Denmark Hill and London Bridge, and between Queens Road and Victoria. Improvements in service to compensate for these that are promised (but not guaranteed) are 4 trains an hour all day and evening between Nunhead, Peckham Rye, Denmark Hill and Victoria. 3. The introduction of the East London Line link between Canada Water/Surrey Quays and Clapham Junction via Queens Rd, Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill. This they say will mitigate the loss of the SLL with 4 trains an hour. Funding is not yet certain for it - that should be known within weeks now. If they get the funding it should be in operation by 2012. It would be a useful new connection and complete the orbital rail around London, but it doesn't of course help at all for the LB link to/from Denmark Hill or the Queens Rd Peckham - Victoria link. There is much more to report and clarify from the SRUG meeting on Monday. I will post the minutes when they are ready. Sorry we didnt know there was a rep from Tessa Jowell's office at the meeting!

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would conservation area status help re-open up the > station plaza - which seems to me the single most > useful development that could happen in the > specific area? Not directly as the only real obstacle to the creation of the piazza is the cost of buying out the long leases that Network Rail were stupid enough to sell over 20 years ago for a peppercorn rent. The station building finally acquired listed status earlier this year and so fits with the creation of the piazza to return the area to its original open aspect and transform the feeling in that part of Rye Lane. The Council will later this week be publishing the ideas and proposals on how to achieve that and I will post the links when they are available. >Forgive me if I am wrong, but it > seems the chief benefit of CA status would be to > open up funding streams currently unavailable. Yes this is definitely one benefit for the town centre as a whole, and also for the renovation of the station buildings. But CA status would also attract investment by lifting the quality and attractions of a locality. We will learn more at the Peckham Society meeting of successful conservation-led regeneration elswhere. > Also, is this area thriving and full of small > businesses and "faith groups", It looks like this refers to the description of one site in the town centre - the site behind Rye Lane and Bournemouth Rd - whereas the Peckham Society campaign for a Conservation Area, and the meeting tomorrow evening, covers the whole of Town Centre. See http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Historic_Peckham The town centre covers more retail industry (and even more faith groups) than the creative enterprises which increasingly cluster in the Copeland Cultural Quarter (CCQ) between Rye Lane and Bournemouth Road. The CCQ has already begun its own self regeneration through the arrival over the last 10 to 15 years of new cultural enterprises, from individual artists, to the new Hannah Barry Gallery and the new CLF music and arts enterprise. Yes the site also has several faith groups too as part of the huge upsurge of such faith groups looking for accommodation all over the borough. But the main trend on this site is the continuing arrival of a variety of secular cultural enterprises. This area, beginning to be known as the Copeland Cultural Quarter is one half of the 6/7 acre site designated for demolition for the tram depot see http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Visions_for_Peckham#The_Copeland_Cultural_Quarter and http://www.peckhamvision.org/wiki/Copeland_Cultural_Quarter > or is it in need of > regeneration? Best to be clear, no? Well it is probably both - organically reviving and renewing itself as many places do in response to changing social and economic needs, as well as needing regeneration to recover from the blight imposed for almost 4 years of designation for demolition for the tram depot. Lifting that designation would enable investment to resume to modernise the Bussey building and the rest of the industrial site. > > You will probably tell me to come along tomorrow > night and find out, but I'll be working I'm > afraid. No I wouldn't say that... it is why we are trying to disseminate the information in a variety of forms as many people are not able to come to evening meetings. What we hope is that there can be an informed conversation in various forms and forums about the historic assets throughout Peckham Town Centre, and how they might be best combined with the modern social and economic trends emerging in the area. The Council's work on the Peckham Area Action Plan (PAAP) is the context for all this. It is in an informal stage just now when we can try to understand the issues and work out what we think in conversation with each other. It is preparation for the official consultations when people have to give their final statutory views around next Spring on just about everything, of which conservation and related matters is just one part. see http://www.southwark.gov.uk/futurepeckham

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know he is a serious person. But I'm only eight > years old so couldn't help myself. > > Would conservation area status help re-open up the > station plaza - which seems to me the single most > useful development that could happen in the > specific area? Forgive me if I am wrong, but it > seems the chief benefit of CA status would be to > open up funding streams currently unavailable. > > Also, is this area thriving and full of small > businesses and "faith groups", or is it in need of > regeneration? Best to be clear, no? > > You will probably tell me to come along tomorrow > night and find out, but I'll be working I'm > afraid. good points which deserve a considered response. will do this later.