Loz

New Nexus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just like the British had no interest in collapsing china?s economy, starting in 1839, this > was not the British intention but it was the outcome. The Opium Wars? It may have fundamentally changed China's economy in the longer term, perhaps, but 'collapsed'? And if you mean short term, I would say it *was* the intention. Wars are like that.

There's two issues: 1) Did he break any code of conduct (or any other law regarding such payments)? 2) Did he lie to the Select Committee? On the first point, well that's up to parliament and the police. The second is interesting, though... Coulson was asked: "So your sole income was News International and then your sole income was the Conservative party?" He replied: "Yes.". So, it would depend on how you class a severance payment, when it was made and whether it was a lump sum or not. The car and the phone supplied could also be considered part of income, but I'd say a good lawyer could make a case otherwise. Anyway, given what is coming over the hacking scandal proper, I'd say this is the least of Andy Coulson's worries.

"Give me a place to stand on, and I will move the Earth." - Archimedes on levers

New Nexus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > please see the last part of this vid, Bank of > England works the same way > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT-2fenmLnc That is just a fairly factual depiction of the fractional reserve banking, with added 'rather concerned' voiceover and s slightly scary soundtrack. to fractional reserve banking. It comes from a longer vid called 'Money as Debt' which goes on to explain that, not only do banks create money out of debt, but also remove that money from the system on payment of that debt. It's not all one-way creation, you know?

You do realise that inflation is not, in itself, necessarily a bad thing? QE3 will just lower the value of the USD - that will have (it is hoped) a positive impact on the US economy in that its exports will now be more attractive to buyers. I have a feeling that you would bemoan whatever action they took, as what you really, really want in the collapse of the system. In other words, the original post you made in the "Request for comment: Collapse of the U. S. A." thread was not a prediction. It was your fervent hope.

Let me guess... Washington is saying, "When is this 'capitalism is dying' rubbish ever gonna end? I can't believe the crap some people write."?

MissNoodlesHats Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Er ? Another dead end from you eh loz? I aim to please, AFN. > in regard to security as I understand it Coulson > was / had undertaken developed vetting which is > the highest evel of security clearance. That's where you are mistaken. For reasons best known to the Civil Service, they decided that Coulson was to be cleared to SC level. > So financial checks would enable them to ask " excuse me I know you work for the British Government but who > is paying the other 200grand? SC does not entail that level of check. And as the answer for that would have been a plausible 'it's a severance payoff from my previous employer whom you know about already', chances are it wouldn't have raised much of an eyebrow.

New Nexus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is not complex at all, people think they have > self-determination The do have self-determination - they are just determined to vote like sheep.

I am assuming at this point you know nothing about what security checks entail, AFN.

New Nexus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. > If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by > inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks > will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent > their fathers conquered.' > > Thomas Jefferson, 1802. That would be interesting... had Thomas Jefferson ever actually said that. Which he didn't.

If your crystal ball is that good, then can't you tell me something useful... like the winner of the 2.30 at Newmarket on Saturday?

DF Use the "code" tag - it puts everything into fixed space Courier font. [ code ] blah [ /code ] but without the spaces inside the tags.

OK, lets compare on contrast with a similar 'safe' area. I'll take Ealing (W5) as the news on the riots seemed to think it was a pretty genteel place: [pre] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Crime in W5 (Ealing) Ranking 349 out of 373 districts. Ealing Greater London National Violence 25.00 25.81 16.20 Sexual Offence 1.00 1.29 0.98 Robbery 5.00 4.77 0.99 Burglary 10.00 7.71 4.21 Theft of Motor 5.00 4.58 2.68 Theft from Motor 13.00 11.65 6.88 The data above refers to offences per 1000 population Crime in W5 (Ealing) Based on the police recorded crime reports (for the financial year 2007/8) Mouseprice ranks Ealing at number 349 out of the 373 CDRPs (Crime and Disorder Reduction Partnerships). The higher the rank, the worse the level of crime. Policing in the area is the responsibility of the Metropolitan Police Force. The number of violent crimes per 1000 population in this postcode district is less than the county average but greater than the national average. The number of sexual offences per 1000 population in this postcode district is less than the county average but greater than the national average. The number of robberies per 1000 population in this postcode district is greater than both the county and national average. The number of burglaries per 1000 population in this postcode district is greater than both the county and national average. The number of thefts of motor vehicles per 1000 population in this postcode district is greater than both the county and national average. The number of thefts from motor vehicles per 1000 population in this postcode district is greater than both the county and national average. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [/pre] Not a whole lot of difference, really.

Didn't accidentally post something in lucid text last week then quickly delete it?

I just assumed richardbach typed with his nose.

[beavis_and_Butthead] He, heh, heh. He said 'hyman'. [/beavis_and_Butthead]

OK, a few (somewhat wild) predictions, but it begs the question... why have you posted this and what are you suggesting be done? (FWIW - I consider anyone to use the term 'fiat', in regards to money, a nutter).

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> "It will just mean more frustration, then others >> driving like lunatics to get round the busses." > > Now let's have a little think about that. Who > actually needs to take responsibility for driving > like lunatics? Could it be drivers perchance? So, harking to another thread, when they moved the bus stop near Denmark Hill 'forcing' commuters to dangerously run across the road it was all TFL's responsibility, but when a change effects drivers...?

So hang on, UDT - a white person saying the riots was a black issue is racist, but a black person saying the riots was a black issue is "speaking through experience". Double standard? Both Starkey and Joseph Harker were talking out their butt, IMHO. (And not the first time for either of them.) And I think there were a significant number of rioters (especially on night 2) that were out there getting their free pair of trainers (tv, mobile phone, etc). But that needs to be separated from the original riot in Tottenham, where there needs to be some investigation into cause.

I'm probably giving him more credit than he's due here (as he is almost certainly not very aware of Baron-Cohen's creation), but was Starkey trying to describe what a few years ago was known as a 'wigger' and was the kind of thing Ali G ripped the piss out of? The David Lammy quote was embarrassing though. Toe curling, in fact.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And check out the weasley excuse! What's a weasley excuse? I've got red hair and my owl is a bit dodgy?

Ridgley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Like I said Loz never heard of any White Collar worker on the breadline, they still tend to live > comfortably or they just go abroad. You have a weird definition of a white collar worker. There are many, many white collar workers on minimus wage. So how would a white collar worker, convicted of a white collar crime, "still tend to live comfortably or they just go abroad."?? They are finished. End of career. Game over. Most skills are no more transferable abroad than most blue collar workers (some rather less so) and any trust an employer would have in them has gone.

And yet some black commentators are positioning the riots as a black issue. Is that not just as racist?

For the super rich, yes, they will survive. But 99.9% of white collar workers don't have that kind of money. For your general white collar worker earning just into the 40% tax bracket then it is not just embarrassing, it is career ending. And that is a massive punishment.

The Argus report into the future structure of Aussie cricket is out today. The chairman of the panel, Don Argus, joked "I was thinking of putting in a recommendation that we put in a Zimbabwean coach and get four South Africans into the side..."