Loz

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The "x-thousand dead after being declared fit to work" thing is a great example of awful reporting. > The kind of thing trotted out by people who have no grasp of statistics. For instance - how many > claimants in total were declared fit to work in the same period? What would be the expected > mortality rate for people across that age group? > > You can't claim there's correlation unless you have all the relevant data. It was a terrible piece of journalism, wasn't it? I'd even go as far as to say that the Guardian and the Indy DIDN'T do the rest of the research as they knew they story would evaporate if they did.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Haha, saw that earlier. When I suggested that there may be a hipster or tweo amongst the ranks I > got slaughtered. Put it in the guardian and they're queueing up to talk to them. Good grief. Reading that Guardian piece makes Hamlet supporters look like completely-up-their-own-arse twunts. What did they do to deserve that?

I used to know a girl that couldn't wink at all. Much fun was had encouraging her try when we were out drinking.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Or Phil Taylor? He must surely be the finest in terms of domination of his sport (PDC/WDF split notwithstanding). Cue debate on whether darts is a sport...!

Owen Jones has just written a rather decent article on Corbyn: https://medium.com/@OwenJones84/my-honest-thoughts-on-the-corbyn-campaign-and-overcoming-formidable-obstacles-de81d4449884 Jones is a strange one: whenever he writes in the Guardian he comes over as a complete idiot. Whenever I've seen/read him outside of the Gruan he comes across as rather thoughtful.

If you fancy a mixed team sport which is a distant relative of basketball, give korfball a go. Try my old club, based in Waterloo... http://www.supernova.org.uk

I didn't post (nor read any posts) while I was on holiday. I considered two weeks away from the forum as part of the holiday! Plus I was stuck with the missus's iPad. Give me a decent laptop any day.

If you think Southwark is bad, come over to Ealing to see real incompetence. Some bright spark at the council came up with the idea of charging residents ?60 a year if they want garden waste recycling (fortnightly service). And then they wonder why their recycling rates aren't improving. Plus Ealing charge for bulky item collection - ?40 for 1-8 items, and ?25 per fridge or freezer. And they are only just getting around to the idea of wheelie bins - currently we use black bin bags for rubbish... in a borough with a huge fox population. Southwark waste and recycling service is really quite good in comparison.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dump them here... > > I'll start with a mild one > > 1) Sh1t countries that we colonised Just as well you didn't say 'invaded'. There only 22 countries Britain hasn't invaded (yet). Here's a map if you'd like to go for the whole set... http://www.humanosphere.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/map-where-brits-never-invaded.jpg

Possibly. Or the second penalty could just be a mandatory life imprisonment.

Not me.

When a justice system is totally infallible then and only then could you even begin to have something as absolute as a death penalty. I've always thought that the real test of death penalty support would be a guarantor system, where before the death penalty could be invoked, one person must step forward and nominate themselves as guarantor and be required to push the button to initiate the execution. Should the original conviction be later overturned then the guarantor would then be instantly deemed guilty of murder. I bet that all the people who think the death penalty is a good idea would suddenly have a change of heart when asked for their life to be on the line as well. Should pretty much end support for the death penalty overnight.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Loz. I think that's a bit of a careless use of word on Corbyn's part, but I think it's pretty > clear when read in context that he isn't talking about a planned economy in the sense of a > centrally controlled communist state (as some have suggested, rather dramatically). He says in the > next sentence that '....the strongest lesson to learn from all of this is the need for greater > unionisation in the private sector'. If you read what he has said more recently regarding the > economy, I don't think any of it could be portrayed as 'extremism' albiet that one may > disagree. It helps no one to paint him as dangerous communist, it's clearly ridiculous. The > press did the same with Brown and 'Red Ed' and it just brings down the level of debate IMO. > > Basically, anyone who believes that there may possibly be a role for state ownership / > management of some essential services seems to be considered looney, or dogged. Thinking that there > is no one solution for all problems (lightly regulated market), is the exact opposite of > dogged- it's believing in examining all possible options and deciding on which is likely to best > deliver the outcomes we might want. I don't necessarily believe Corbyn is that far down the road of the planned economy - it's just you set a challenge and I thought I'd have a crack at it! The most worrying thing about Corbyn I've read is his intention to print money to finance the state. That is, frankly, just terrifying. Previously, I've considered him a charming but basically harmless old-school lefty whose biggest danger was splitting the Labour Party. But that is a seriously dangerous approach. And it's the cornerstone of his economic policy.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Who the hell is Mark Barton? > > > > (in reference to Jah's pic) > > Here you go Loz. > > http://www.bloomberg.com/personalities/mark_barton Well, that makes more sense. Google 'Mark Barton' and you find a "spree killer from Stockbridge, Georgia, USA".

Who the hell is Mark Barton? (in reference to Jah's pic)

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Where is that on his website Loz? I'm not > suggesting it's not there I just can't find it. > That does sound extreme and slightly out of kilter > with other thing I've heard him say on the > economy, so I would be interested to see it in > context. http://jeremycorbyn.org.uk/articles/nail-in-the-coffin/

Well, their website says it has, and the closure has been widely reported in the news. There was some talk of restructuring and re-opening, but that seems to be passing.

Does anyone on the EDF still actually live in East Dulwich??

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BBC News Site has good summaries on each of the > candidates. > Jeremy Corbyn > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33772024 Corbyn intends to print money to cover the costs of "new large scale housing, energy, transport and digital projects"?? Well, that's never gone badly wrong before.

ratty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Err the vote has not started yet. I have made my mind up and will be voting for Corbyn. The Tories > on here are so scared of him that they have persuaded me. Thanks chaps! Actually, you are doing exactly what the Tories want (and have asked) you to do. They see Corbyn as a free ticket to the 2020 election.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Since when does Corbyn not believe in a market economy. What tosh. How about his own website? A much greater sense of union solidarity across national frontiers and across continents is necessary to demand security, job protection and a planned economy, rather than the free-market model whose inevitable collapse has been greeted with huge amounts of public money for the banking system but not for the victims of their greed.

Parts of Sydenham are really quite nice and rather up-and-coming. Parts of Sydenham are ... hmmm, well... ew.

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It depends whether you cherry pick the popular > ones e.g. renationalise the railways, or consider > the whole package: leave NATO, unilateral nuclear > disarmament, support for Hamas/Hezbollah, abolish > all free schools and selective schools, punitive > income tax rates, relaxed immigration controls, a > much easier ride for trade unions, and generally > much more government intervention in the economy. Not to mention Corbyn supports giving the Falklands Islands to Argentina.

Some of them are still hare and have even developed a strange form of schizophrenia!

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There is a lot of nonsense being talked about Corbyn. The fact that his ideas are considered to > be somehow extreme, just demonstrates the degree to which the current political discourse has > become nothing more than an echo chamber, for a few identikit timid careerists. But Corbyn is more 'left' that the current government is 'right', yet some people consider the current government's policies to be 'extreme'.