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Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just out of interest Food Banks are:- > > (a) staffed by volunteers > (b) resourced (i.e materials handed out) through > donations > > Which are both quite positive things to say about > our society and > > © substantially exist to help out those who have > been caught-out by unforseen circumstances - > either through a sudden large non-discretionary > expenditure or because they are in a transition > status waiting for benefits to be paid. That is to > say that they exist as a safetly net to catch > those who are not being helped 'in the normal > manner'. However good the welfare and benefits > system is, there will always be anomalies and > sudden emergencies. > > Efficient food banks are a valuable addition to > the welfare and benefits system - and those who > staff them (and who fund them through donations in > cash and in kind) deserve thanks and praise. They > are, in many ways, a symptom of a healthy, not a > sick society. > > By all means rant on from the comfort of your > internet mediated lives, but for those of us who > have lived through 4 major down-turns - one of > which, in the 1970s - was substantially worse than > anything we have now, your fears of revolution are > misplaced. > > What funds the welfare state is effective > capitalism, of course there are examples where > this has gone off the rails (and the market > economy works on a long-run basis, with many > short-term hiccups) and of course the 'too big to > fail' banks need re-structuring - but remember > that where a bank does really fail - there are a > lot of little people (both those whose pension > funds have invested, those who themselves have > deposits and those who work in the banks) who > would have been terminally burned by such a > failure. It is the mark of a 'welfare state' > economy that the hardships of the many can be > shared (through taxation) across an even greater > number to lessen their impact. > > Or would you have been happy to be paying less tax > so that those whose pension funds had invested in > RBS and BoS and those who had deposits with BoS > and RBS should be beggarised and now be looking > forward to a life of penury, and those who work in > those banks would be unemployed and ditto? Bit of > a run on food banks then, I would guess. xxxxxx I guess you voted Tory then, Penguin68? Yes things may have been bad for some people in the 70s. There was high unemployment and in fact when I graduated - how lucky was I to be a student then, btw - I wasn't able to get a job in my field, but if memory serves (and I'm in my sixties so I remember the time well) the welfare state was not being steadily dismantled in the way that appears to be happening now. In your haste to defend capitalism you appear to have missed my point. Can we take it that you are OK with rich people getting ever richer and those at the bottom of the heap getting ever poorer? I would be only too happy to be pay more tax as it happens, if I thought it was going to be spent in a decent way. I didn't vote for the bloody party who got elected on the basis of promising income tax cuts. What did people think was going to pay for schools and the NHS, and look what's happening now. But nobody can put tax up again now because it would be electoral disaster. I'm going out now, GRRRRRR. ETA: And if you think it's POSITIVE that food banks are staffed by volunteers and sourced by donations, you must be barking. People shouldn't be put in such dire straits that food banks have to exist at all, and if they do have to exist then the bloody government should be funding and staffing them. We'll have Lady Bountifuls going among the poor handing out crusts next.

mfcjoe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How far have we sunk in this country that we > now > > need foodbanks? > > > > And meanwhile there are the fat pigs raking in > > millions for heading up failing organisations, > and > > a frenzy over a newborn privileged royal. > > > > Next it will be the return of the Poor House. > I'm > > ashamed to be English. xxxx > > This is so true, this governbent should be > ashamed, alas they don't give a toss, the tories > won't be happy until the > NHS is gone and everything is sold to their rich > pal's, this Country is F****D. xxxxxx I genuinely think that if things carry on like this, there will be some kind of revolution. The poor are being trodden on harder and harder to shore up financially the mistakes of the rich, who don't give a s***. The Olympics brought back a bit of hope, but it feels like that's long gone, and the government isn't even building on the good feeling generated by the Olympics by supporting sport (not that I'm particularly into sport, but it feels symbolic somehow). Sorry I know this isn't directly about food banks, but this makes me so angry. There are also tubs in some shops now where - after you have done your shopping - you can put in cans of food to be distributed to people in need. This is supposed to be a welfare state. Where are my taxes going? To help out some bloody bank whose CEO has f****d it up and gone off with a platinum handshake, that's where. GRRRRRRRR.

How far have we sunk in this country that we now need foodbanks? And meanwhile there are the fat pigs raking in millions for heading up failing organisations, and a frenzy over a newborn privileged royal. Next it will be the return of the Poor House. I'm ashamed to be English.

I can't believe the fuss about this f****** baby.

That's truly disgraceful. Would it be worth getting a councillor or MP onto the case? And/or Southwark News?

Power steering makes three point turns rather easier these days than when I learned to drive in the sixties :))

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Watch out its not people practicing for the test > :) > > I had to do them hundreds of times - usually same > road. > xxxxxx Surely your driving instructor didn't have you doing three point turns on a main road?!?!?!?

I have noticed more and more lately drivers doing three point turns on main roads or in dangerous places. In almost every case they could just drive a little way further on, take a right and either turn in a side road or depending on the road layout get back onto the main road without having to do a three point turn at all. I realise that's not the case here, but the Champion Park drivers seem to be part of a wider trend :(

Gossip :)

There are some truly unpleasant people posting on this forum.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One paper (The Independent?) described a visit to > Franks as urban deprivation tourism... :))

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There was a sole fox on Ulverscroft last night.. > just pacing up and down 'Shrieking' > > Perhaps he/she was looking for his mother. > > Foxy. (No relation)(wasn't Me) xxxxxx Perhaps he/she was looking for you, Foxy :) I saw one last night shrieking down the road, maybe it was the same one. Was it quite small with a rather mangy looking tail?

I heard one just the other night, so I guess they are still around somewhere ...

Someone stopped taking their meds?

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I actually laughed at the Chicken tarka masala > joke. > > People are forever being accused of racism on > here... I think it's a sport for some people. > Better to stay out of it, you can't win. xxxxxxx Maybe they are being accused of racism because they are making what many people clearly perceive as being racist comments. And allowing those comments to remain on here conveys a very unfortunate image of this forum, in my opinion. The Tarka the Otter joke was completely different and yes I would have laughed except I've heard it before .....

Me'mate'Dave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wouldn't call The Ritzy an excellent reaxing > place to watch a movie, it's nothing but chaos in > there whenever i've been, never had a pleasant > experience in there to be honest. The Greenwich > picture house, now there's a nice relaxing place > to watch a movie, so much better in everyway. xxxxx I love the Ritzy! Greenwich is far harder to get to than Brixton from here, plus if memory serves its ticket prices are much higher than the Ritzy, though that may have changed.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Issue happened just before 7 I think. Glad it > didn't turn out to be serious - apologies for the > false alarm! xxxxxx I watched the news expecting a headline of a fire or terrorist attack!! Very relieved it wasn't, but there shouldn't be smoke and debris, so where did it come from? ETA: It was clearly taken seriously, or the station wouldn't have been closed at all?

UncleBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >I must be in good company (or bad) > then as all the people slagging off seacow must be > racist, as well as Sue who constantly rips into > Cherry tree,and now Mag, plus all posters who have > ever commented on a business. xxxxxx "constantly rips into Cherry Tree and now Mag". WTF? And for the record, I too thought your "joke" about illegal immigrants' underpants was both racist and offensive. Glad to see Dulwich Tandoori posting on here and giving such detailed background.

A Ritzy-type cinema in ED would be brilliant!

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A look at forums relating to broadband shows most > companies have their flaky monets > xxxxxxx They should look after their art better :))

Bloody hell :( ETA: Stupid question because I'm sure you would have said, but any idea what has caused the smoke?

Foxhelp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely there is nothing anyone can or should do if > the noise is during the day? If he is not keeping > you awake late at night you will just have to > suffer it. It is only while the weather is warm > after all. I had a stupid woman knock at my door > from two roads away saying my dog is barking at > 9am and she works nights so could I stop him! > Bloody Cheek, unbelievable unrealistic behaviour > from some people. xxxxxxx If your dog is barking so loudly, lengthily and often that it is disturbing somebody two roads away sufficiently to come and speak to you about it, then you should have the common decency to do something about it, not insult the person complaining. I don't work nights, but I'd be bloody annoyed at persistent barking, regardless of the time of day or night.

I have found Plusnet good, you could investigate their current deals. I have unlimited broadband and a phoneline with them, and I have found them reliable and with good customer service (not that I've needed it much). I think they have some association with BT, not sure what though.

I have hated flying ants ever since some got tangled in my hair one year on my way home from school :(

numbers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > good to see the heaters were on full blast on the > top deck of the 176. travelling by public > transport not great at best of times but in this > heat + with additional heat = unbearable > > sales of pimms and cucumbers must be going through > the roof! > > edit: not on the 176 I hasten to add but there's > an idea. xxxxxx OMG they had the HEATING ON?????