Zebedee Tring

One big difference between the 1975 and 2016 referenda was that in 1975 the whole of the national press (apart from the Morning Star) was in favour of remaining in the EEC whereas in 2016 most of the papers were in favour of Brexit. So the people who will most suffer from Brexit, i.e. the poorest people in the country and in particular those living in areas that actually voted for Brexit, were fed with a continual succession of lies about the 70 million Turks who were about to arrive on our shores at any minute and the ?350 million that would be pumped into the NHS etc etc. And sadly they believed what they read.

Foxy, clearly you missed the words "irony alert" in my post. Perhaps if I had made my views crystal clear by saying "I'm gutted by the result", then you might have got the message. In reality the next Tory leader, who will probably be much more right wing than Cameron (or indeed Osborne), is more likely to cut NHS spending or privatise the NHS than raise spending.

Don't worry. The NHS will soon be getting another ?350 million a week (irony alert).

I reckon that Artful Dogger might be able to take legal action of some description against lindylou. I'm sure that m'learned friends would be happy to advise. At the very least her comments were well out of order, as Phil Mitchell might put it.

According to another source, M&S opening date is in August. But until we get something official from M&S, who knows?

During the past day, both our Freesat and Freeview service has been extremely erratic. Has anyone else in ED been having this problem?

I have read this thread with amazement. The last time I heard such bickering and insults was in the school playground about 55 years ago when I was starting secondary school. The issue is a very straighforward one. If a child is riding a scooter on the pavement making it difficult for other pedestrians or children and/or their parents are walking three or four abreast so that other pedestrians have to get out of their way, that is simply bad manners on the part of the children and/or their parents who allow them to do this. This is the case whether they are upper class, upper middle class, lower middle class or working class. Being "child friendly" doesn't mean that children should be allowed to act in an adult unfriendly way.

Solution to problem of your kids suffering from toxic air pollution - send them to Eton. Pupils at that establishment have benefited from clean air since 1970 when the bridge over the Thames between Eton and Windsor, a direct cause of traffic outside the school, was closed to motor traffic. It remains the only major road bridge over the Thames ever to have been shut. It's the rich wot gets the pleasure ... it's the poor wot etc etc.

With the exception of his/her rather uncalled for comment about Grauniad readers (of which I am proudly one), I agree with what ED - NAGAIUTB has said. The police are by no means perfect but in this kind of case they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I fully support their actions in Court Lane. No doubt if masses of police had turned up at an incident at, say, the Elephant, some of the contributors to this thread would complain that the north of the borough was getting preferential treatment at the expense of the poor folk of Dulwich.

I think that there was also a standard ambulance as well as an ambulance car.

At about 3.15 I saw a van in the middle of the road, two police cars, a mini-ambulance (or whatever they're called), a man sitting on the pavement having a smoke, police officers and several other people standing around (don't know whether they were involved at all or whether they were onlookers). I wouldn't like to speculate on what had happened.

I have had bugs on and off for several weeks now, if not months. Bunged up nose, headache, aching teeth, bleary eyes, dry cough, runny nose, general weary feeling and aches in parts of the body. I have had some of these symptoms some of the time and other symptoms at other times. It has left me feeling pretty low - I'm glad that I am retired now and don't have to go to work.

After Le Chandelier issued their ultimatum to EDF, I decided that as a matter of principle that I could not visit an establishment that was unable to accept criticism. In any events, I had heard bad reports of the place from my wife and others. In the words of Harry S Truman, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I can't really mourn their departure.

I agree 100% with what you say, katanita.

Does anyone know whether the mutilated cats were out in street when they were attacked or whether the attacker got access to the properties where they lived? I realise that it might be difficult to say one way or the other. In any case we have started to keep our cats in at night.

If the future service will be anything like the Overground services to Clapham Junction and W. Croydon, this can only be good news. Shame though that we won't see the change for Southern services until 2021/

The developers are appealing against Southwark's failure to determine the application before the statutory deadline.

Judging from recent comments on this thread, it seems that it's much more congested coming through the Elephant from Walworth Road in the morning rush hour than from the West End in the evening. Is this correct, and if this is so, might this have something to do with the phasing of the lights with the result that traffic coming from Walworth Rd has lower priority than traffic coming from Kennington Park Rd?

Is Wottajoke's experience typical of the recent train service between ED and London Bridge. If so, I'll give that line a wide berth.

Administrator, why can't this thread be moved from The Lounge back to the General ED Issues section since clearly the state of the Elephant junction after the recent changes is of continuing interest to commuters living in ED?

Is this, perchance, an acronym for the Olga Fleisher Ornithological Foundation?

Why has this thread been moved to the Lounge when clearly the state of the Elephant junction is of interest to commuters living in ED?

Thanks for the info. I'll now avoid going by bus through the Elephant tomorrow morning.

Has anyone travelled through the changes to the Elephant road changes today? If so, how bad (or good) was the situation? It looked pretty on Sunday, especially for traffic travelling from the West End and City to the junction. Many thanks.

Or "Vaseline", as it is known in the trade. How do you propose to use your Vaseline, fazer? What you have in mind sounds likely to upset those of a nervous disposition and frighten the horses.