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I live in the south part of East Dulwich, i.e. one of the transport "holes". So much therefore for the person on this thread who said that it would be a "shame" if the Bakerloo Line was extended via The Plough to Forest Hill (unlikely though this might be).

My late mother in law went to school with a girl called Pansy Onions. And my sons were at school with a girl called Jenny Taylor (just say it out loud).

Miga, that's a much more mature and calm reaction to my earlier post than the one given by Penguin 69 (or whatever he/she is called).

There was a boy at my sons' school called Kirk Flash. Sounds like a super-hero who was a mate of Superman, Batman and the others.

People at rock gigs who woop loudly during before, after or during songs, or who applaud wildly when they recognise what song the singer/band is singing/playing

You're so right, Louisa. See my EDF Class Law, quoted on my previous post.

Penguin 68, please calm down, as the late Michael Winner would have said. For the avoidance of doubt, as the lawyers would put it, I wish to make the following points: 1. I am middle class and always have been, because my father was a doctor, I was a solicitor and I went to public school- what's more I talk proper. 2. I take the piss out of right-on people and I don't class myself as one, although I do vote Labour (heaven forfend), which may make me a bit too left wing for your taste. 3. I do not regard middle class people as "unworthy", since I am middle class and if I DID regard middle class people as unworthy, that would clearly be an example of self hatred on my part. 4. Similarly I do not regard working class people as "unworthy". 5. Frankly I find the obsession with class on EDF a bit of a joke. Once again I would repeat my version of Godwin's Law, which I call the EDF Class Law, namely "As an online discussion on EDF grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the middle classes and the working classes approaches 1"

I stopped being guilty about being middle class when I was about 21 (over 40 years ago). However, I quite like the Marxist definition because it makes people like Penguin68 get on their high horse and give us a nice little lecture about the history of the middle classes. BTW I take the piss out of "right on" people as much as anyone else.

People whose inflection rises as they reach the end of a sentence - apart from Australians of course who are allowed to. I think that it was watching "Neighbours" that caused people who were kids at the time to talk this way.

I bemoan all this stuff about class. However, I prefer the line taken by the Marxists (I think) who defined the "working class" as people who had to work for a living as opposed to the idle rich who were able to live off their unearned income.

Are the sale prices for these two St Francis Road properties really comparable? One house might have been in much better condition than the other.

So what's wrong with a branch of the Bakerloo Line being extended to Dulwich Library and Forest Hill, as suggested by another poster? Or don't you care as it wouldn't help you personally? In the words of someone whose name escapes me, we're all in this together (irony alert).

I bet that lots of people living in roads like Melbourne Grove, not to mention Woodwarde Road, would go mental if you had the affrontery to describe them as LOWER middle class. Heaven forfend!

> If I understand you correctly, wavyline, you are saying that it would be a shame if the tube was extended to Camberwell or the ED area. Are you serious? I agree that it would be a shame. From a purely selfish point of view > So basically what you are saying is all those people living, say, up near the Plough, I couldn't give a damn about you, cos I'm all right Jack.

Just as well that Ed Balls doesn't have a daughter called Ophelia.

If I understand you correctly, wavyline, you are saying that it would be a shame if the tube was extended to Camberwell or the ED area. Are you serious?

A registrar of births, deaths and marriage once told my wife that a man who had just won a large amount on the horses registered his baby daughter's name as "Doncaster".

I agree 100%, PokerTime. One can't generalise about people who come from different classes. Or rather, to avoid annoying those people who don't like people sounding too middle class and starting sentences with the word "one", you can't generalise about people who come from different classes.

Excellent suggestion, PokerTime!

So say my cats.

For the umpteenth time I am forced to cite my version of Godwin's Law, which I call the EDF Class Law, namely "As an online discussion on EDF grows longer, the probability of an argument about the middle classes and working classes approaches 1". BTW a few years ago Rod Liddle, one of this country's biggest wind up merchants, was living in Beauval Road for about a year.

Yes, I've read most or all of the thread. I can't see why this is a LOL matter.

Is it not possible for people on this MB to debate anything without resorting to personal insult (I don't include Poker Timer in this comment)? People are allowed to disagree but personal abuse is unnecessary and unseemly. It seems that because someone is anonymous, they think that they can say things online that they would never say face to face.

????, I think you will find that Rachmanism exploded AFTER rent control were abolished in c.1957. What ended Rachmanism in the 60s was the reimposition of rent controls in c. 1965 and massive investment in social housing, (not to mention a Race Relations Act that criminalised the "No blacks, no dogs, no Irish" type of lettings). It's only the political will that stops this happening again.

Have you got a source for this information please, EDmummy?