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So limited robbery, theft from person and other theft then in your area? So you are not seeing the increased theft from person that we are close to the LTN?

I no longer have a copy of said leaflet. It is a given because it did happen - you're going to have to change a habit of a lifetime and take my word for it.

I think the ITV article sums it up perfectly when they say so far in 2025 284 cyclists have been fined by the City of London Police for jumping red lights yet they counted 200 doing exactly that in one hour at one set of lights. I very much suspect councils and police will start to enforce this more rigorously as clearly the message is not getting through - there is a gold mine of PCNs waiting to be issued! 😉

Why have you thrown violent crime in there? Who was talking about that? Are you trying to distract and divert again? Why have you thrown violent crime in there? Who was talking about that? Are you trying to distract and divert again? @DulvilleRes is your concern here that we should not talk about things that might shine the council in a less than negative light? Is this why you object so much that it might mean people start holding the council to account for their actions - after all some on here claim the ballot box is the only time you are allowed to ask for accountability from our councillors. Whether people support the LTNs are not they are all united by their concerns over the crime in the area - probably best the councillors try to address it. But @malumbu for those living in the area and on the affected streets they are very concerned about the rising crime rates and, in particular, the nasty nature of a lot of the offences that have real, lasting, impact on the victims. Police have advised residents to call 999 the moment they see anyone wearing a balaclava. Perhaps, as you point out, Dulwich Village is proving to be a lucrative area and the criminals are targeting it. Bottom-line remains that residents are concerned (it seems a lot of residents outside the immediate area aren't concerned). When you look at streets beyond the immediate area of the LTN it is clear similar levels of increasing types of crime is not being seen (despite the wider London increases in said crime). So what is so unique about the streets around the LTN? Maybe it is purely co-incidental but, given those crimes stats (and the comparison of London crime over all the years) you can clearly see that something different is happening post Covid. Given PCSOs have been door-knocking and distributing leaflets and saying there does seem to be a link to the quieter streets I would suggest something is happening - whether you want to admit it or not. Look at what the 3 Priorities for the Met Engage team for Dulwich Village have currently: Dealing with crimes related to motor vehicles - including theft of motor vehicle, theft from a motor vehicle and vehicle interference. Issued 01 April 2025 Robbery and Theft - Dealing with robberies and theft snatch throughout the ward, predominantly aimed at school students. Issued 01 April 2025 Our latest community survey highlighted an increased concern regarding Violence against Women and Girls within Dulwich Village, including areas within the ward which are particularly dark and leave members of the community feeling vulnerable.

@Earl Aelfheah but it is not. The numbers and trends are there for all to see. You are trying to distract and deflect. This is clearly why the PCSO told.me what they did. I know you dont like it but that doesn't mean it isn't an issue or concern. Again where have I actually said that? You're trying to put words in to my mouth. The proof is in the numbers @Earl Aelfheah shared that in the 5 years since the LTNs went in certain crimes have been increasing. You cannot deny that.

It is when, since 2024 I have been looking at three specific types of crime. You're using it as a "nothing unusual going on here" diversion tactic. You're trying to make it about all crimes. I am looking at those that the residents of the area are most concerned about growing. And your stats confirm they are growing and have been since the closures went in. Surely you can agree to that fact at least? But what residents are concerned about is not the average but what is actually happening in their area, what they see, feel and hear every day and that is an upward trend since around 2020/2021. I was saying that, you doubted my original stats and now your stats confirm it too. We can safely say, and surely all agree, that there has never been as many cases of reported theft from person in the Calton area and there has been a significant uptick since 2020/2021.

@Earl Aelfheah I am not looking at all crime (but I am sure you know that are desperately trying to deflect and distract). From the outset I have focused on the three crime types locals are most concerned about and those that may benefit from quieter streets. But I am sure you cannot also help but notice that previous London-wide crime trends have not been mirrored in the Calton LTN area historically. But now it is. Also, I looked at other streets like Burbage, Eynella and Crystal Palace Road and some further afield in Dulwich and the same upward trends were not being recorded - judt look at Theft from Person over the years. That website is great, thanks for sharing.

@DulvilleRes I am afraid for you, and the other naysayers on here, the PCSO was very much real and very much said what they said! I know that really upsets you but it is very much the truth!!! I am not entering the Cheese Shop war discussion because clearly you need to sell a lot of cheese to make money no matter where you are located (the owner of the cheese shop was a big fan of the LTN) but the increasing numbers of empty shops around the Dulwich Village LTN does seem to run counter to everything we heard from the council and lobbyists that LTNs improve footfall and people spend more in LTN areas. Of course, there are a lot of things that contribute to shops making or breaking it but empty shop after empty shop since the LTN went in is not a good look. @Earl Aelfheah thanks for much for sharing the Streetscan link as it is helping me to avoind having to do things manually... Interesting when you use that site to look at the categories of crime that I have looked at (robbery, theft from person and other theft). Let's look back over your famous "5 years since the LTN went in" - what has happened to the robbery and theft from person category in the LTN area (you selected) in particular? Do you have any explanation for that - just a co-incidence perhaps? So it looks pretty clear (even by your data) that we can say that some crimes have increased over the last 5 years around the LTN. Do you agree as the resource you sent definitely confirms that? P.S. Thanks for sending that link as it is saving me so much time!

It seems attention to the problem of red light jumpers is getting more attention and I susoect more enforcement will follow: https://www.itv.com/news/london/2025-08-05/itv-news-cameras-catch-200-cyclists-running-a-red-light-in-just-one-hour

Oh wow, why are some of you so sceptical? Why would I make that up? Do you not believe or not want to believe? The denial syndrome is off the scale! They were leafletting houses and knocking on doors.

That's a bit rich! I have been very clear why I looked at those three categories - if you look back at my original post in 2024 I explain why as this was in relation to phone snatches and increases in street crime that were being reported at the time. Those are categories that are most relevant to street crime. Again, I have been very clear that 2021 was only a partial set of data. 2022/2023 and now 2024 are full sets of data. Ah, so you acknowledge then that your crime is not increased in the London 72 LTNs in the the Aldred report may have to come with a caveat of Covid lockdowns - excellent. I am glad we have established that. That one category falls between 2022 and 2023 so not sure what your point is there. Again putting words in to my mouth - where do I say 2025 is the time of the spike in crime. I think you are trying to weave a erroneous narrative again. No one can say what the final crime figures will be for 2025 but it does look like theft from person could well be higher again - doesn't it? The others look like they may trend lower. Yes I am looking at annual figures - that's a 12 month period or one calendar year. You are focusing in on a 5 month period - that is not a 12 month period or a calendar year - you comparing apples with pears as you desperately try to deflect. It's a bit like the cycle lobby only looking at cycling in the summer months and claiming great increases in cycling!!! This is part of the modus operandi I am afraid..... @Dogkennelhillbilly the issue with @Earl Aelfheah is that they repeatedly accuse me of saying things that I do not say. They are accusing me of making up that the PCSO told me that there was a correlation between road closures and increases in crime. I did not make that up - that is the issue here. For goodness sake the PCSOs were knocking on people's doors and delivering leaflets..... Now....given you have bothered to ask me what I think rather than trying to put words into my mouth as others love to do.... Do I think that LTNs create an environment where certain types of crime are easier to execute? Absolutely. Do I think we are seeing that play out in some parts of Dulwich to detriment of people who live there? Absolutely. Do I think there are a group of people who will never accept that or agree with that? Absolutely. Do I think they're being deliberately blinkered? Absolutely. Do I think that if they thought rationally about it that they also would see the sense in the argument? Absolutely. Do I think they will be able to bring themselves to do that? Absolutely not.

But what happens when you look at the annual numbers from 2022/2023/2024 and the trend thus far for 20205....? Except, of course, that when you look at the annual numbers they have all been (in the main) all going up....and the only way to really understand the trend is to look at the annualised numbers as there appears to be a seasonality factor at play here, with peaks around certain times of the year. You don't have to be a statistical genius to see the pattern...... A brief reminder of the actual annualised numbers: 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 2024 Robbery: 62 Theft from person: 61 Other theft: 78 2025 up to and including May Robbery: 16 Theft from person: 34 Other theft: 18 I am glad you have corrected the incorrect narrative you were trying to spread about what I had said - it's always best to try to be as accurate as possible. But that is exactly what they told me. You don't believe me and think I am making it up but that's your prerogative. But that doesn't alter the fact they did say it. If only my partner had an account and they could come on here a validate what they said - but I suspect you probably wouldn't believe them too!!! 😉

Ah, so that is the research to which you refer - I thought so. Has anyone done one post-Covid lockdown? Also, what was the control in that 72 LTN research as it doesn't seem to be referenced in the Methodology section? Interesting as well that that piece of research sat outside Aldred and co's larger body of work funded by the DfT to evaluate the Active Travel Plan - any research folks provide any input on why that might be and why that would be referenced in the Conflict of Interest section of the abstract? Yes those 3 categories of crime have risen since 2021, not 2001 (2021 was a far back as the police records available went back when I started the exercise in 2024). But I only said that certain types of crime had increased significantly within the Dulwich Village ward and that a PCSO was telling people there is a link between closed streets and an increase in crime. You have filled in the rest.....and come to your own conclusions (again). So, do you agree then that within the Dulwich Village ward certain types of crime have been increasing since 2021? You don't have to be a statistical genius to agree or disagree with that surely?

But @Earl AelfheahI am not making stuff up and you know this. I shared with you three crime statistics based on numerous years of police data that show that those three categories of crime have been (in the main) growing since 2021. You have then decided to respond that one of the categories is trending lower for the first 5 months of this year. Are we supposed to put out the bunting and have a street party to celebrate this clear deflection technique? I mean, do you have nothing to say about the increases in any of the others? You still haven't sent the link for the 72 London LTNs that you say proves crime falls in LTNs and I suspect I know why - because those results were derived by comparing crime in the period of October 2020 to February 2021 to the corresponding months in 2018/19 and 2019/20. Of course, the potential Achilles heal for that research that is that was that pretty much all crime fell massively during lockdown periods and their review period was across the second Covid lockdown period. Has anyone done anything since that report that compares pre- and post-Covid lockdown period analysis?

Huh? Did I ever mention burglaries? I have consistently shared data for 3 categories of crime: robbery, theft from person and other theft (i.e. the street robbery categories). And when you look at the annual police data for all of those 3 theft categories in DV what does it tell you? I will tell you, again, as you seem incapable of acknowledging it....that the theft categories have been going up every year since 2021 with theft from person more than doubling between 2023 and 2024 and on course this year to be higher again. Are you throwing burglaries in as a distraction/deflection? Or is that the only one you can find that is going down...Come on @Earl Aelfheah these tactics are getting ridiculous now, everyone can see what you are doing? It's all getting so predictable and tiresome now. Well it is a good job I did it for you then for those three theft categories. I could be bothered because I wanted to see what the annual trends were and those are the numbers I presented - I went through each month and added them up for the annual total. I did the research so you didn't have to...!

Yup, right....and you claimed there was majority support for the DV LTN in the consultation...honestly, talk about laughable. What do they say about people in glass houses... Because that's what they do. Get to be proven to be wrong and then throw something in that has nothing to do with the discussion to try and take it down another track. Which was what started this all off. Clearly @Earl Aelfheah didn't believe it, look at the angrily agitated way they tried to demand answers from the Dulwich Safer Streets Team. It seems that if you mention something some on the pro-LTN lobby dont agree with they all go a bit purple Minion and start screaming. It's like a shark feeding frenzy with all the usual suspects desperate to have a bite. The irony is of course they all say why can't we forget and move on as it has been 5 years but it is their over-excited and aggressive pavolvian responses as they try to manipulate the narrative that continues the debate. The facts are clear. In the Dulwich Village area there is a growing problem with certain types of crime. The police (via PCSO door knocking and leaflet drops) are clearly trying to do something about it. So are the people who live on the streets being impacted whilst interested on-lookers try to tell them it is not happening because it might upset their personal agenda and ideology when it comes to LTNs.

What on earth? Why are you trying to pin this on Brazilians? I think you should remove that, unless you have definitive proof that every incident of this is being done by Brazilians. I am pretty sure you shouldn't be making those type of prejudiced stereotyping statements. The rest of your note seems like pretty sound advice.

@exdulwicher in the words of MC Hammer...back up. In the words of Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast: No!...No! No! No! No! No! No! And in the words of Public Enemy: Don't Believe the Hype Let me clear up some less than accurate nonsense someone has been trying to pin on me. I did not denigrate a report without actually reading it. I read the Peter Walker media articles from 2025 and 2021, read the abstract of the 2025 report and then posed some perfectly reasonable questions (that no-one was, funnily enoigh capable or prepared to answer). Now, would those answers have allowed me to denegrate the report? Probably. And I very much suspect that's why no-one answered it. But to suggest what you have is utter nonsense and deliberate spin from a cohort of yours. Also I told people what a PCSO had told me when they knocked on my door, not that they were knocking on the doors saying that there was a spike in crime because a junctiom was closed 5 years ago. Please, try to get your facts right. There are those on here who go out of their way to deliberately skew what people like me say and it looks like folks like you are falling for it. Come on, surely some of you are better than that, just look at the childish nonsense some of us have to put up with? As I was saying..why on earth is Earl bringing up pollution now? A clear attempt to distract. Honestly the attempts to bully people into submission is getting ridiculous. Its funny that @dulvileres lambasts those of us who have dared present an alternative view to the pro-LTN lobby propaganda. I think of the likes of @heartblock and @legalalien who used to also try to fight the nonsense but we're seemingly bludgeoned out of the debate. What I love is that some of you get so irate and agitated when someone challenges the nonsense. There is such a pattern: someone challenges your position, you denegrate them, call them names, a lot of others from the pro-LTN lobby pile on and then you try to change the subject when your position is shown to be wrong. Some of you have been doing it for 5 years! 😉 Hang on a minute I have a very good track record of backing my points up with data. In fact I have often used data to prove the nonsense some of your cohort are spouting. I shared robust data (with links) on crime levels in Dulwich and then people retort that there is this report and that report from 72 London LTNs and yet when I ask for links they dont reply. Maybe it is not me who is making things up...or maybe all of these reports are behind a paywall and people subscribe and dont want to share them because they are terrified of IP infringement.......

Do you have the actual links rather than the headlines?

Travellers? What are you suggesting? I think the ones we are trying to hold to account are the council and their band of pro-LTN lobbyists! Fact checking...ha ha...I think you'll find I have been fact checking and correcting more of some posters erroneous claims than anyone has of mine! But I suppose it's all about how blinkered some people want to be! Do pay attention @snowy. I posted the data for Dulwich Village from the police website only this week. The data is all there for you to see. What does it show? 2021 (data from Jan 21 missing due to 3 year cut-off): Robbery: 17 Theft from person: 4 Other theft: 45 2022 Robbery: 28 Theft from person: 23 Other theft: 96 2023 Robbery: 49 Theft from person: 35 Other theft: 77 2024 Robbery: 62 Theft from person: 61 Other theft: 78 2025 up to and including May Robbery: 16 Theft from person: 34 Other theft: 18

I am glad you did as your first post (which you published) was a personal attack which you are not allowed to engage in on this forum. To be fair @Earl Aelfheah when I do offer credible evidence you're just as aggressive and dismissive and then, hilariously, you remove the direct accusation and then end-up still suggesting I make things up. Doh!

Ha ha...perfect timing @Earl Aelfheah. Thanks! @first mate was spot on. Some people just can't help reverting to type..... @Earl Aelfheah just what are you accusing me of making up this time...be careful as this is all starting to look like a personal attack? I now see you have edited you post to remove the makes stuff up part which I appreciate as it is a personal attack you were waging and you are sailing very close to the line on forum rules. Ha ha, except that certain types of crime have been rising since 2021...which you said was not correct but the data sides with me on that one not you. And I am the one being accused of making stuff up...it's hilarious. Where do I say that exactly.....I showed there is evidence of certain types of street crime increasing significantly in the Dulwich Village ward. And you have not shared anything you have suggested reports that show crime has not risen in LTNs - which to be fair is what I linked to. @Earl Aelfheah do you have the 72 London LTN report to which you refer?

No the Aldred one I am referring to is this one: https://findingspress.org/article/19414-the-impact-of-introducing-a-low-traffic-neighbourhood-on-street-crime-in-waltham-forest-london Can you link to the one to which you refer which compared crime rates before and after in the 72 London LTNs? Or a slight increase in overall crime. What is very clear though is certain crime types like robbery, theft from person and other theft have been increasing significantly since 2021. In the Dulwich Village ward theft from person rates alone more than doubled from 2023 to 2024 and are on course to be higher again in 2025. Ha ha...and it's almost like you are desperately throwing things to try to convince people that the increases in crime in the area isn't happening....ho hum....how predictable....and always the usual suspects...again, how predictable. It is telling how agitated some get when they hear something (what the PCSO said) that doesn't tally with their own ideology.....amazing. As I said it seems this is also how our local councillors reacted when TFL dared to say their beloved LTNs were causing congestion on Croxted...and they are alleged to have made TFL staff cry...so much so Will Norman had to intervene......why do people get so upset by this stuff and are so cultishly protective of it?

@Dogkennelhillbilly ha ha don't tempt me as during my most recent search (triggered by @Earl Aelfheah argumentative manner) I found a layer of information that would indeed help clarify whether areas within the LTN were experiencing more increases in crime than others. I do wonder what creative counter arguments would be put forward if the data did indeed show that was the case.....maybe I will find the time to do it. BTW have Aldred and Co looked at that recently - I think those who claim there is no proof that LTNs led to an increase in crime cite Aldred's last report which was published in 2021 but looked at police data between 2012 and 2019 in one LTN in Waltham Forest - so very much a (very) pre-Covid implementation of the LTN's we know today. Have they done any further studies on it?

Err, because it shows that the trend for rising theft from person may well continue to rise year-on-year in 2025 as well - like it has done every year since 2021....which shows that type of crime is increasing despite your desperate claims. The problem here @Earl Aelfheah is that you aggressively react to anything you see that you don't want to agree with or hear about - it happens every single time - you are so blinkered that you cannot look at anything with any sense of pragmatism - it's always a knee-jerk "this is a lie/5 years ago/there's no proof" claptrap. As I said before you can deny all you want but for those of us who actually live in the area concerned it is clear what is happening and crime is increasing. So you can cut the stats all you want looking at 5 month periods but, as the police data confirms, certain types of crime are increasing year on year and the police and local residents are working to try and counter it. Of course, how anyone proves it has anything to do with the LTNs is another matter but there does seem to be a correlation between closure of the roads and increases in crimes that are easier to perpetrate on quieter roads. And, of course, PCSOs validated exactly that by confirming they believe there is a correlation as they handed out leaflets on crime prevention. Of course they could be wrong but the fact they were saying that suggests there might be a problem. I believe there could be a link, you believe there cannot be a link - that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion but please do not try to tell people who are experiencing an increase crime that it is not happening. It is and the head in the sand/denial approach helps no-one. Imagined by the police data? @DulvilleRes your name suggests you might live within the area or possibly on one of the streets within the LTN - did you get a visit from the PCSOs or any leaflets put through your door?