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I never said he said it will...I said he was bigging up a ten-fold increase...we haven't reached close to a one fold increase yet have we so some way to go don't you think...bottom line is the revolution never happened and there is nothing to indicate it ever will? He clearly talks about post-Covid when things return to normal - aren't we there yet? I am not angry...just correcting Snowy's "it's all untrue" statement - am I not allowed to do that? In tne last two days you and Mr Chicken have accused me of being both angry and hateful, two things i am most certainly not and nothing in my posts would indicate that...perhaps you should take more time to reflect before posting such comments in future? Here's a really good cricketing metaphor for you to mull...don't keep bowling bouncers if they keep getting hit for six! 😉 ???? - could you explain what you mean by that as it makes no sense at all to me?

https://bikebiz.com/mayors-streetspace-plan-could-see-cycling-increased-tenfold-post-lockdown/amp/ Snowy, your face has gone so red you've melted...! 😉

On my street, which is one that benefits from the LTNs most of the people I speak to are anti- them. Mr Chicken, on your first post you said you lived near Calton Avenue, do you hear that anti-sentiment from your neighbours too? I may not be far from you (if you are still there) so would be interesting to know if it is the same where you are. I do think the polls conducted that showed most residents were against them (and I know it may not be totally scientific) is far more indicative of local sentiment. The council knows this and this is why their consultations now do not have the ability to register any objection to things anymore - they aren't stupid and can't have any sort of referendum as they would lose (as they did on the first CPZ "vote").

Not convinced. Just take a walk through town after morning rush hour and you will see little capacity of the bike lanes being used yet all the capacity of the reduced road space being used. It's a commuter peak and that's it. Will Norman and the cycle lobby bigged up a tenfold increase in cycling that never materialised, they needed that to justify the investment and damage to other forms of transport but they have got nowhere near that and I hope some serious questions are being asked as to why.

Snowy, that reads like us depositioning some Aldred research - welcome to the "yeah but" club! 😉 Could it be, perhaps, that all the measures, including LTNs, new cycle infrastructure (especially across bridges) has had a detrimental impact on congestion in London? And should you not be heralding that as showing the measures are working because is the point of many of them not to make car travel so infuriating that people find some other way?

A carrot for those who live in them, less so for those outside them don't you think? Are we to presume you live in one of them? P.S. what is a fire bike?

Did they really say they had a mandate based on verbal feedback on door-knocking sessions - surely they weren't that stupid? Ha ha.. is that the new bar for council consultations - verbal feedback based on verbal feedback from councillors with a vested interest knocming on the doors of "weak Labour" voters....;-) In the words of Cllr Rose....thats definitely not a, stop mansplaining, referendum....! ;-)* *;-) added for the benefit of those who have had a sense of humour by-pass. Some words added for humorous purposes that weren't uttered by Cllr Rose...in tne same sentence.

Mr Chicken - have you ever been on this forum under another name? The way you argue, name call and try to negatively deposition anyone with a view opposite of yours yet never actually answer questions is very, very reminiscent of some of the multiple account posters of the past.... I don't know about anyone else but I am getting a big dose of deja vu with your postings.....maybe it is coincidence but my goodness me you seem to be following the same playbook as some of your banned pals

Attack but never answer....where have we seen this before, takes us back to the glory days of LTN Manatee.....? 😉

I have certainly seen police officers enforcing red light jumping cyclists in Central London in a targeted campaign. I have also seen a police motor cyclist pull over an infringing Lime bike red light jumper and pavement cycler on the city end of London Bridge.

Was this when they were targeting "weak Labour voters" they got from their database....?

No just emphasising the tongue-in-cheek nature of some of the content. Maybe if I had put one on the Chelsea Bridge comment you wouldn't have gone on your engineering lecture...;-)

Some of OD's supporters don't live in Dulwich but the majority do (you can see it on their map). I agree on the one issue manifesto but the biggest issue for the Tories and Lib Dems was they split the vote and if they had been smart one of them would have stood down and then the other might have got traction on the basis of LTNs. Labour's election machine (at all levels) learned some painful lessons in 2019 so are applying that sensibly. They are pretty much the only party now that can call on swathes of activists to go door knocking.

Mr Chicken, no I am not an engineer but thanks for clarifying my point that vibrating bridges have been a thing for a long time. Didn't the Millenium Bridge have the same issue? ;-) Its good to know that if anyone on the forum ever needs any engineering advice they can come to you - we can all sleep well at night now..;-) Does your expertise stretch beyond engineering? If so, perhaps you can help Snowy and take a stab at, keeping the thread on topic, answering my question about why you think London congestion increased by 5% post Covid and yet the next placed city in the top 10 most congested UK cities decreased by 9% and Belfast managed to reduce it by 36% in the Inrix report? P.S. I am not a cosplay fan but if you are its all good with me - each to their own and all that! ;-)

Perhaps some of the posters on this forum don't live in Dulwich/Southwark and didn't get the "A vote for Labour is a vote against the Tories" leaflets which made it anything but local issues.... They never mentioned LTNs in any of their materials. Why? Because they are politicians and they knew they could not raise the issue...it was swept quietly under the carpet. Anyone who thinks otherwise is politically niave. Why on earth would any politician raise any issue that might be a local hot potato, they aren't stupid.

Yeah, per First Mate, so proud of their achievements on LTNs Southwark Labour forgot to mention them at all in their manifesto....hmmmmm

I don't hate anyone and you accusing me of doing so is so typical and part of the armoury of name calling we have grown to expect from you. I disagree with many of their policies and the way they deal with constituents but I would never hate them. Reflects badly on you (and maybe politics in general nowadays) that that would be your go-to.

Mr Chicken, perhaps the councillors could reallocate some of that time they spend (on photo ops) with cops with speed guns to police some of bad cycling junctions. Often a visual deterrent is enough to influence behavioural change.

Snowy, Chelsea Bridge has signs on it saying troops need to break step when marching across it so vibrating bridges has been a thing for a long time! Interesting though that London was the only UK city to register an increase (5%) in congestion since Covid and the next closest in the top ten UK cities saw a 9% decrease.....what caused that do you think?

I am wondering if the council have any carrots in their armoury of things to tackle the problem rather than a lot of (profitable...ahem) sticks... What annoys me is they bleat on and on about not having funding to put bike hangers in (despite earning millions in LTN fines) yet can give up huge swathes of public pavement space to e-bike and scooter rental locations for companies who will make revenue from them (and pay the council for the privilege).

No I am arguing that human behaviour is influenced by situation and location and repeatedly citing Amsterdam as a glorious example of how a city like London can be transformed is pointless because Amsterdam is nothing like London. In tne same way that London is completely different to Istanbul and so are its transport needs. And Paris is not a glorious example either as congestion and pollution there is worse than ever. My Parisian friends love the theory of the 15 minute city but hate the reality of what it is causing. They tell me its great if you live close to where you work, if not (and for most Parisians that is the case) it is a transport disaster. Of course since the LTNs went in in London we are now the most/one of the most congested cities in the world. Co-incidence - you will no doubt say yes. Others are less likely to be so convinced.

You clearly aren't spending enough time in Dulwich...or Southwark for that matter....;-)

Sorry to point out the bleedingly obvious but Amsterdam is not London and the context of that research makes that very clear. Amsterdam is unique in its size and compactness and always gets rolled out as a great example but unfortunately it never translates to bigger cities...for obvious reasons.

I will look through the whole report when I have time but one of the opening paras suggests Amsterdam may be slightly different to London.....and Dulwich in particular 2.1. Context Amsterdam is a historic European city, characterised by narrow one-way streets and by a transportation system that offers many modal alternatives to travellers. In 2017, auto travel represented 27% of trips, while cycling, walking, public transport, and scooters, each accounted for 26%, 19%, 26%, and 2%, respectively (Gemeente Amsterdam, 2019). About half of all car trips, excluding those made by residential parking permit holders, are made by non-residents.

CPZs do nothing to reduce car use. The council knows this, Malumbu knows this..even Mr Chicken knows this.