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Ha ha...reverting to type...also known as pointing out what really happened rather than the council's version of events.... Can someone remind me how long it took the council to removal the barrier for emergency services? Look how quick they managed to put in a right filter at the DV/Red Post Hill junction to alleviate the queuing traffic caused by the cycle lane they put in at the lights for comparative purposes....

Mr Chicken...you know I didn't write the Bloomberg article right? Fascinating piece isn't it and so many of the problems seen in Amsterdam seem to have found their way to other cities like London too, wouldn't you agree? How do you think we mitigate the issues around cyclists and bad cycling?

After Malumbu and Mr Chicken foolishly called me out about parts of Amsterdam banning cycling I dug out this article on the issue. Any of these problems look familiar? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-27/easing-tension-between-dutch-cyclists-and-walkers

It was Amsterdam in the De Pijp district...so I was right..ha ha doubt me at your peril! 😉 I can't find the original BBC article but here is one from Bloomberg that discusses it and the reasons for it....seems all so familiar don't you think....(cue Mr Chicken and Malumbu suddenly losing interest in the debate...) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-27/easing-tension-between-dutch-cyclists-and-walkers

You forgot to mention that it is NOW open to emergency services. It took many, many months of lobbying by emergency services to get the council to remove the permanent roadblock that was hampering response times and was putting lives at risk - it's all in writing from the numerous FOIs that people have used to obtain from the correspondence from LAS etc to the council on the matter. It appears you have been drinking heavily from the council Kool-Aid hose and the reality is very different and reflects very badly on the council. And in Peckham Rye the council ignored the emergency service counsel that they did not want immovable road closures and were going to proceed with permanent closures (before the council u-turned on the whole plan) - they put the input from Southwark Cyclists and LCC (it was all clearly outlined in the documents) above everyone else. Agree and the same entitlement issues that causes bad driving are now being seen in many cyclists and causing bad cycling. Humans will be humans and cyclists are no different from having their fair share of wallies too!

There was definitely a story on the Beeb about a city banning bikes from parts of the centre...was it Utrecht maybe, but sure it was Amsterdam or Berlin, something about protecting historical sites. And definitely bikes not just hire bikes or scooters.

But the council did prioritise the input of the cycle lobby over that of the emergency services around many LTN plans.....Peckham and Dulwich Village being key examples. And my point on this thread is that lots of people are critical of both bad drivers and cyclists whilst some (you know who you are) can never bring themselves to be critical of cyclists.

Oh what a coincidence...not the first time this has happened....

Get used to it...that's what Southwark are increasing by employing 48 more wardens....talk to anyone who lives in Islington and they will tell you the wardens tail Ocado vans waiting for them to pull over in CPZ areas....;-)

Is it Amsterdam or Berlin that just banned bikes from parts of the city centre due to problems they cause?

No, I am angry with lefties because they created this mess by gifting the last election to the Tories. My friend was an advisor to the Corbyn campaign and I asked them...at what point did you realise it had all gone horribly wrong..and they said when they got the text to return to Labour HQ as they headed to the victory party.... ...its that sort of blinkerdness that I can assure you Keir is more than aware of and desperate not to repeat. So you can all claim it doesn't matter but Uxbridge does and it has triggered the centrist in Labour to say (quite sensbily)...don't let the left balls this up for us.....so Sadiq and the hard left councils are right in the line of sight of that one...

The left doesn't win elections...the centrists do

I can assure you, Labour HQ is spending far more time worrying about Uxbridge than celebrating Selby.

Legal speak for....bring this poorly thought-out homework back to me again and you may not get a pass grade next time....

Given the comments coming out of Labour HQ about ULEZ in light of the Uxbridge by-election only a political fool would suggest they are not concerned about the perceptual impact this could have on their election campaign....a clear bump in the road they don't need (no matter how far ahead they are). Labour HQ knows they have to overturn a big majority and cannot afford any distractions. Uxbridge was a massive wake-up call.

It is often not what is in front you that causes the problems but what comes further down the road.....

Sadiq may be heading into more troubled waters as Labour HQ aren't at all happy that ULEZ is costing them votes at a time when they need to be showing that they are not a divided party and this sort of thing is behind them. It will be interesting to see if party politics come into play now, this regional issue has far reaching national implications. As I said before ULEZ is a huge political football and the stakes could not be higher.

That is beyond inconsiderate and they deserve a ticket.

It was in the judges' summing up...its a shot across the bow. But do you not think Labour HQs headache now actually gets worse on the back of this judgement? A result against them might have been the best result for them.

According to the BBC... The judge also takes a pop at the consultation process, but ultimately sides with Sadiq Khan again: "While the consultation conducted was not in-depth, it was lawful." Article share tools Councils will probably take heed as this is a bit of a shot across the bow from the judge.

Judge was critical of consultation process which could be interesting.

There used to be a really good one and I have no idea what happened to it as it used to plot really good cycling routes, it was long before all the cycle super highways so may have been closed down but it was brilliant.

Of course they are...Southwark see this ourely as a revenue generation tool....greewashing for revenue...they are the party of the working people....and putting those 48 wardens to work is solely because they need to give 48.people a new job - for this they should be applauded....

Bad driving is a problem. Bad cycling is a problem. I laugh when I see people saying it would be nice if some of the pro-driving lobby could acknowledge problems. Many do. Many fewer from the pro-cycling lobby will do the same on their side of the fence, they are far more likely to try and throw in a...Well cars kill more people than bikes do....perhaps the problem is on the anti-car lobby side. The fact this thread even exists is probably the best example of whataboutery out there....no one has ever done anything other than acknowledge there is bad driving out there but some seemingly want to try to make a very childish point.

Don't hold your breath...Southwark is one the Labour councils most likely to resist and fight against Keir and his sensible centrist politics. Momentum and the far left is still strong in Southwark and they don't have the best track record for listening to the electorate.