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Flutey can cover fly-half, and there's a couple who can kick - Halfpenny for one. Quite a few pretty inexeperienced players there though, and surprised to see Monye get the nod over Armitage.

Definitely no trains at the moment - doubt there will be any at all today. Southern has a list of working routes (2 trains an hour on each working route) that I think includes Forest Hill. Buses all seem to be working fine though - got the 40 to London Bridge this morning and it only took about 20 minutes.

I think it's a real shame. Osbourne Stewart were a great little place, and they even offered free internet access if I remember correctly. I think it's outrageous that you all claim to support independents but allow a little gem like Osbourne Stewart to go to the dogs like that. Plus they posted some of the best messages ever seen on this board...

As far as I know, the change to Denmark Hill services is that there will be no London Bridge to Victoria train. There will still be a twice-hourly service between LB and Denmark Hill though - it just doesn't go on to Victoria. I always use ED for LB trains so don't know if that is a reduction from the current service. The DH-Victoria service will only be run by Southeastern, not sure if there's any change to that service, but guess there may be a reduction of 2 trains per hour due to the Southern service being taken away?

At the risk of striking a rational and balanced note amongst the fury, what is the real impact? - Off-peak trains from ED to London bridge will run every 15 mins instead of every 10. I appreciate that might be annoying for some, but it doesn't strike me as a huge issue. - No connection from ED to East croydon for the Gatwick train. As far as I could tell, this train was only every half hour anyway - it was almost quicker to go to LB and get the direct train from there. There is an alternative train from Forest Hill which isn't that far away (may even be closer for a lot of people). And nobody seems to have pointed out that we seem to be getting an additional train in the evening at 2003, which I personally am delighted about. 1949 always seemed far too early to switch from 6 trains an hour to 2 (as evidenced by the fact that the 2019 is invariably standing room only). It will still go down to 2 an hour after 2019, but it's a start. Personally, I'll be using the new 2003 much more than I ever used the E Croydon train, so maybe I'm biased, but overall I don't think there's too much to get stoked up about. And given the number of people who said they'd like to attend the meeting but wouldn't be home in time, I'm guessing that might be the position of quite a large number of ED residents if they were given all the details rather than just the ones the OP wanted to get people worked up about.

Best value places to eat out are probably Thai Corner Cafe (as someone else mentioned, it's BYO so that keeps costs down as well) on North Cross Rd and Si Mangia on Forest Hill Road - slightly more out of the way for most people but well worth the extra walk.

It's also because there are more bacteria in the water during the summer months, so there's a higher risk of getting food poisoning from a summer oyster - it's not necessarily a reflection on the restaurant if you get ill from eating them, although if they're not very fresh or not kept properly refrigerated, obviously the bacteria can multiply through that as well.

I think she's suggesting responsible parenting - ie don't have kids you can't afford. Obviously this family is an extreme example, but bringing up 20 kids purely on benefits comes across as an abuse of the system. I hadn't realised that epilepsy and alcoholism qualified you for disability benefits before last night, either.

And you had started so promisingly. But then you go and use the 'C word'...

Can't make the game, but if anyone else takes up Brendan's suggestion of a net on Saturday, I'll be along for that.

Which is why I'm not voting for Ken...

In all seriousness, have 'prices' actually fallen in ED? I can't see any evidence of it yet. So far, all that seems to be happening is that a few of the places that went on the market at very optimistic asking prices have been forced to set or accept more realistic prices. Which seems to me to reflect at best slow growth and at worst stagnation. A lot of people bought into or got used to the idea that their house or flat was 'worth' an extra ?5-10k each month and find it hard to accept that in fact prices have had to level out since the turn of the year. Unlikely that there will be a significant crash though, IMO, if you look at the underlying causes. The demand is still there, it's just the supply of mortgages that has dried up a bit. One of the advantages of ED's "gentrification" though is that the target market is probably the part of society least affected by the credit crunch - young professionals in 'stable' careers. The difference is that now they are being offered 5x rather than 6x salary multiples on their mortgages, and often need to find at least 10% deposit so a young couple, both on ?50k, will struggle to reach/exceed ?500k. Banks still need to lend money to make money, though, and this is the group they will be targeting. As someone else said, London is generally better insulated against price drops than the rest of the country anyway. Of course, this would all change if the credit crunch lead to a major recession, with spiralling unemployment etc...

Padlock your bin!

Would love to but can't make the 18th unfortunately. Hopefully i'll be around for the 'home' leg though.

Just a hunch, Mark, based on my natural cynicism...

A reply for *Bob*: A CPZ will only be considered if it will generate massive revenue for the Council, regardless of whether residents want it or otherwise.

I'm not suggesting doing away with the one way system, TJS - I just think there should be a better way out! Ondine Rd could be one way going the other way, for example. Anyone living at that end of Copleston has to go round the houses to get out of there in a car - up Bellenden or Adys Rd, or through the DKH estate. None of which is particularly easy to find if you don't know the area.

Agree with kford. It's the price you pay for living near anything people want to visit/use, like shops, restaurants and transport links. And if you're living that close to those things, you shouldn't need to use your car so often, so the inconvenience should be infrequent. The problem comes from people's expectations that, despite living in a very popular area of an already overcrowded city, they should be able to park their car exactly in front of their house/flat. If it's that important to you, buy a house with a drive.

Quite a few cars ignore the one way system there as well. Hardly surprising though - if you don't know your way around, it's impossible to get out once you're in. Taxis hate going in there. Maybe the whole one way system needs reviewing?

You mean, what's he done other than offend almost every minority going (and much of the majority as well), introduce unpopular and arbitrary schemes that seem to do nothing other than bring in more money for him to spend on similarly ludicrous ideas, surround himself with his mates who create jobs for the boys at our expense and generally just be a corrupt liability who considers himself accountable to nobody? Still, he fits in perfectly with the modern Labour party...

Are you suggesting that the police and armed forces should be privatised? Interesting idea.

Unfortunately, there are two problems with that Nero - firstly, you have to see the offence take place, and secondly the people who think they don't need to pick up their dog are often (and I know this is a huge generalisation) not the type who look like they will react in a reasonable, rational way.

Blinder999 makes a very good point - no other council services are charged on a 'per user' basis, so why single this out? You could equally argue that only those who want a CPZ should be charged for it to be implemented... Additionally, i would like to point out that I have not seen any posts "asking for a CPZ free for residents" - the general consensus seems to be that a CPZ would not be welcome by the majority, but that if one were imposed, there should not be a charge for residents. Not quite the same thing.

And to confirm someone else's suspicions on this thread, it appears that the survey will only survey people in SE22, ignoring the fact that any CPZ on the Melbourne Grove side of Grove Vale will simply push the problem onto the SE15 side, where there a huge number of streets significantly closer to the station than about 90% of the ones mentioned above. Doesn't affect me much since my car doesn't generally move during the week, but I'd like to know the logic for ignoring half the people living within 1/2 mile of ED station.

If you have their bank details (or IBAN number) you should be able to do a CHAPS transfer, although it costs about ?20.