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huncamunca Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would a CoE church in the same location garner as > much angst ? In a word, yes! As pointed out in the third paragraph of the post you were responding to, the area is served by an abundance of churches, 17. The residents and traders of this area feel that the faith market is well and truly saturated. There would be as much angst over any other church proposal or indeed any other large organisation intent on operating at such an intensified capacity and frequency as KICC have proposed. Can I add that the building is not a church nor can it be used for religious activities. KICC took a gamble on being able to obtain permission for a change of use. This was not the case. It is unlikely that another church would have the ammount of cash KICC have to take such a gamble in first place. KICC are milti-million pound conglomerate that also happens to be a registered religious charity. The organisation has spent charitable funds to purchase a buliding that it cannot use to further it's charitable cause. Shame it can't sell to Picturehouse Cinemas, who still want to buy it and invest in a building with the correct use class for their purpose nearer to the community they currently serve.

A peaceful protest has now been given permission to take place this Saturday in Crystal Palace Park. People are meeting at 12.45pm by the museum before making their way to the land at the side of the bus station where the Kingsway International Christian Centre service will be take place. The protest is about the plans KICC have revealed for 25 Church Road, the old Gala Bingo Hall, and the negative impact they will have on the surrounding town centre and residential roads. The protest is NOT about KICC having a service in the park. The idea is not to disrupt the service but to be present to register serious concerns about the organisation's refusal to consult with local community over controversial plans to operate 25 Church Road, the only entertainment venue in town, as the 18th faith group unit. The new proposed programme is seen as provocative and antagonistic as KICC have acknowledged this new intensified usage has potential to really damge the area due to traffic and parking demands of the membership but have decided to go ahead regardless. The bulk of KICC's membership will be coming for thier current homes in the Wimbledon area. One of the reasons KICC were refused planning was due to the damage the predicted influx of cars from a congregation of 500 would have on the surrounding residential roads and town centre, exacerbated by the fact the venue does not have any on site parking. It seems incredibly insensitive and inward looking for KICC, a religious charity, to press ahead with a pogramme to double the size of the proposed audience when they know it will damage the surrounding area, infra structure and social cohesion. Then there's the very serious concerns about the levels of bigotry that are peddled against the LGBT community. The leader of KICC has signed an open letter to government demanding the Equaltiies Law is changed to exclude sexual orientation. The letter begins by denying homophobic attacks ever take place claiming that the government's only evidence of this is newspaper coverage, it goes on to say that they refuse to recognise equality between hetero and homosexuals and it ends on a militant note accusing the government of Christianophobia. Crystal Palace is home to a significant number of residents and traders from the LGBT community, you can imagine how appalled they were to hear that this particular organisation that marches under the mission statement Taking Territiories is aiming to draw thousands of people at a time who ascribe to those views to the area on a regular basis. Thanks for reading this and if any of you EDFers can join us in the park from 12.30pm onwards this Saturday that would be fabulous, your support and soildarity in this matter is most needed and much appreciated.

Louisiana & Andy Bod,good on you both for spearheading this initiative. Any new movement/ideas will always attract their fair share of critics and sceptics so in the interest of balance I wanted to say (tu)(tu), seeing as dv1 has got both (critic & sceptic) areas covered. Not quite sure what the dv1 message is other than individual actions don't make any difference whatsoever and those who are bothered should really just go and find another "hobby". Good thing Michael Foot didn't let those that hounded him over his plans to form CND deter him, even though his support of the movement put him at odds with the Labour leadership and caused bitter division within the party. Same could be said about Peter Benson and where would The Soil Association be if Lady Eve Balfour had been moved by critics. By the way thought you may be interested in the following link to one of SA's first studies that was based round the corner from ED http://www.thephf.org/

Well done guys this bickerthon just gets better and better. Though to be fair, Tarrot does have a point about superiority complexes however I'm confused as to the OP, is it about animal welfare, something more sinister or, worse, questionable NHS catering? ;-) Makes me wonder what else the NHS caterers don't tell us about their food; well we didn't have chicken so we instead we used rat/squirrel/pigeon, O and by the way we only buy meat from animals that have been bled as opposed to stunned to death...now let's face it neither option is kind. If people are really that bothered they would not eat or wear animal products (Lady Gaga tsk tsk).

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legalbeagle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh shame! Go on, get me to defend you. I'd do a > real good job! (I wouldn't deliberately foul it up > so you got in trouble or anything. Honest I > wouldn't.) LB having followed this thread and seen some of the other posts made by tracksuit hating, lady baiting, trolly dolly Tarot I am left with the impression that it is not counselling of the legal kind that is required. Maybe it's time Tarot "faces those sartorial fears" gets in touch with his inner chav and lets it all hang out in matching track suit, baseball cap & trailer.

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Think this chap would make a better gate keeper: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://realorange.org/Satan%27s%2520Throne.jpg&imgrefurl=http://realorange.org/ann_elizabeth_peterson_manuscript.html&usg=__1aza7xQM_y9YUkwgmlA71zQ1SKE=&h=600&w=768&sz=163&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=5kkh42j4mpQ0xM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=155&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsatan%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D575%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=787&vpy=69&dur=16195&hovh=198&hovw=254&tx=197&ty=175&ei=9ZGLTPLrGIqkOPvOheYI&oei=9ZGLTPLrGIqkOPvOheYI&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

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Here you go: http://www.aaanimalcontrol.com/Professional-Trapper/gallery/rat001.jpg

I'm with DJQK & louisiana.

Interesting reactions to showa58taro's request for local knowledge. If I were him I would try not to be put off by the pack tearing into resident Mancunian eater81 but take on board the fact that most EDrs are passionate about the area within which they live and don't take kindly to folks knocking it. Re crime, do not live in London if you are nervous about being one of those statistics. From minor to major you've got a greater chance of being affected by it here but put in perspective (thanks James Barber) you can see that ED comes in at 141/624 wards in London placing it in the best quartile for London. So in general ED is a great place to live (if you can afford it) and the commute to London Bridge is a walk in the park when trains are running on schedule, however as our friend from The North points out it is no Garden of Eden. I agree it can be rough around the edges but it's heart's in right place. Like others on this thread have said come and see for yourself.

Posted by DJKillaQueen Today, 11:15AM I did NOT suggest that all...I made an analogy to illustrate a point. So don't put words into a context I didn't write them in. I agree completely DJKQ. Posted by DJKillaQueen August 28, 02:37PM "So gypsies are vermin? And by tramp I guess you mean homeless person of poor attire? Hmmm don't have to go too far back in history to see a country compare certain groups of people to vermin......" You (note how I avoid using caps lock) complain about taking things out of context and claim that wasn't a referrence to Natzi Germany but genocide in general, silly me, that's alright then. Hmmm.... Hope you enjoyed the recipies though and have given Cher's Gipsies Tramps and Thieves a listen. Now would you prefer pigeon or squirrel pie for the peace summit a la Franklin's, I promise not to order gipsy toast:)-D

DJQK, what a little ray of sunshine you are! I take it you're not a Cher fan so didn't get the gipsies, tramps and thieves ref and you clearly don't do irony either and for the record I only enquired after pigeon pie it was you who suggested making them from "homosexuals and Africans" and that is just down right sick, you should pratice what you preach. You must not have heard of gipsy toast either but here's a recipe for some, be warned it's not for the faint hearted (ie stacked with cholestrol) http://netcooks.com/recipes/Breakfast/Gypsy.Toast.html And here's a couple more links to stick in your tool bar: cherry almond mouse pie: http://recipeland.com/recipe/v/Cherry-Almond-Mouse-Pie-49216 dog tofu and liver loaf: http://www.e-healthypetfood.com/html/dog_tofu_and_liver_loaf.html And one last point on Godwin's Law: /prov./ [usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress." See you in Franklin's for some pigeon pie my funloving friend.