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I think "stick to your own" has questionable tones? A 26 yr old woman got mugged and her mum has come online to tell us all not to wave phones about which cost the same as some people's monthly wage. Given the spate of muggings/burglery that are constantly being reported on this very forum (and the odd murder) then I think it is fair to say that east dulwich is a bit rough and people being shocked by this is a bit old and silly. zeban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Elderflower this is the ED forum, stick to your > own ;-)

Huggers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > do the dodgy people have to come from outside of > ED? I'm across the track in Peckham and we are > getting a bit fed up with being denigrated in this > way. We have lovely people around our way and a > fervent neighbourhood watch. > Mugging is pretty opportunist and your crims most > likely going along that way because its their > locality and seeing their victim rather than > hiking from over here. Complacency about 'lovely > ED' makes you more vulnerable. There are a couple > of roads in ED coming up again and again in these > mugging threads and its naive to think the muggers > are not from round there! It is because East dulwich likes to think it is the rest of dulwich. It is not. We do not have these problems in west dulwich or the village, well at least not on the scale east dulwich seems to anyway. East Dulwich in itself is kind of rough. It may blow its own trumpet but no one else is lording it as some gentrified haven of the middle classes. It seems a very mixed area with a few problems no one seems to be resolving anytime soon.

www.babyexpert.co.uk and www.mumsnet.com there are places for those things. People already do this when they need to.

I think waving ?800 of phone around after dark has long been understood to be a beacon for muggers. How does an item of clothing mug someone? I appreciate it may seem insensitive to be concerned about the hoodie but it makes me wonder that people are pigeonholed together by an item of clothing. I'm middle aged and middle class but I love a good hoodie as it keeps the rain and the cold out. Should I not wear them for fear of generalisations and negative associations.

I know what is deemed legal in court and when you are in trouble that is what is going to count. Its called upon when there is an accident or purposeful injury so if a child hurts another child or a child lacks the maturity to care for themselves as an adult. The incidents I've covered included two minor teenagers who were left to look after an 11 year old child whilst their mother was at work. They got out of hand and pressed a hot iron against the eleven year olds face. The children were sentenced and the parents were charged with negligence. That is the kind of incidence where the ruling would be put to use. Not sensible after schoolers.

Sorry but it is true. Its the social services rule policy according to how they deem whether a child has been neglected and the guardian is at fault. Like I said, its not something that is enforced for common sense use but if people take a situation too far then it can be used in court against a parent. I think the most common use is for when parents leave older children in charge of younger children (say 14 year old looking after a 6 yr old) then the law would be enforced and the children taken away on the basis of neglect of parental duty. Pickle, if it was a different borough or if the A&E department had been aware of you not being a friend or family member of the 14 yr old then social services should have been called and the situation investigated as the child did not have an appropriate adult to call in an emergency and leaving a wounded child to knock on strangers doors and a mother who could not be contacted for 3 hours is not deemed responsible. I would like to add I am not a social worker but was called upon to look at some possible child neglect cases many months ago and social services play a dirty game. Like parents are rarely aware of what the official legal requirements and guidlines for parental care and duty are to a child. This left to an individuals reasoning can differ greatly to what the guidelines are and this is used to take children away from parents. Due to the children's act if there is any suspected abuse or negligence then the ss can take your child and you have no rights. I think they get dirty because they have no obligation to read you your rights, where your child is going or what they will do. They have 24 hours to obtain a ruling from a judge placing the child in their care. That is the bit where they argue the child is neglected because the parents weren't home and couldn't be contacted. Its dark stuff and they don't always get it right.

It is absolutely illegal to leave any child under the age of 16 at home alone. That includes popping down the shops, after school and overnight. That is the national rule and what social services works by. I don't think many people are aware of it but if anything happens (accidents, fires, break ins etc) to your child in your home whilst alone and they are under 16 the law is designed to enable social services to remove the child from your care until investigated. Of course there are scores of teenagers at home alone after school as no one is seriously going to pay a minder or nanny to look after a 15 yr old

Er, I do find the middle classes to be quite ignorant of things outside middle class culture depending on how married to your class you are. I tried to cleanse myself of the class system as I am one person looking to relate to others. I find the class system increasingly difficult to apply to people because I believe society is outgrowing it. Some people like to live up to a stereotype and that is what has limited appeal. People are enjoying the east dulwich WI and good for them. My point is that whilst enjoyment is a good base aim it wasn't suppose to be its sole purpose and binding a community is something that modern life needs and I think wants. DJKillaqueen as ever gets it all perfectly and understands my point. jollybaby Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Along with ignorant generalisations about the > ignorance of the middle classes!.........................boo hoo hoo. Oh my, no one is moaning about the twit who said the working classes were all about knife crime. I've got little problem with treating a social group how it likes to treats others thanks

isn't that a little bit too "go back to where you came from". Its not local dulwich for dulwich locals love, its an area in the middle of london. I expressed a view, I think summoning the lynch mob over a discussion about the WI (and class apparently) is bordering on hysterical. Have a cup of tea and look up some crochet stitches on youtube. I'll be staying in dulwich thanks x

Dulwich from sydenham to peckham has random subsidence problems. No one likes to talk about it because of what it does to house prices and possibly because those affected only find down the line when they want to sell up. The 20th century built properties seem to be the worst affected. If the insurers are being picky then maybe someone in your immediate area has had problems with it. Good luck

You highlight the ignorance of being middle class. There are whole communities of working class people in shoreditch and islington and that is who makes up a significant percentile of those WI groups. I've never lived somewhere where before where people hark on about being middle class as much as here. In central london you are either from there or you can afford to live there. Its not I'm middle class and I like the fact that I have a local WI because it supports and re asserts the view to myself that I live in a middle class area. Well done you. The price of northcross market, MakeHQ charging people ?35 to make cupcakes (really? buy a recipe book) its all absurd. There is so much that the WI have done over the decades that is worthwhile and beautiful. You don't want a relevant social organisation that helps poor people and binds a community together. You want and have a social pet, a badge of self serving middle class blindness. Magpie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You've been called on the supposed relevance of > your previous WIs, and obviously don't like it. > You then resort to insults. I am proud to be > middle class, it beats hypocritical chippy > whinging about relevance, and proclaiming working > class hero-hood, while living in bastions of white > middle class London such as Islington, Shoreditch > and East Dulwich. > > As has been pointed out, if the EDWI disgusts you > so much, start a rival faction focusing on > relevant bunting with class and style.

I went to the last EDWI. I obviously was not taken with EDWI. I did not revive this old thread I find east dulwich laughable in there are several threads where you make a judgement and end it with telling people not to do the same. You defend your middle class status and go as far as to assume that everyone cares and that we must all live by the benchmark. I'm not any less a woman because I don't consider myself a middle class person so I don't see that an organisation that is suppose to be representative of women in a community has to be taken up as a relics club for the limited appeal of pointless activities for pointless people. Shoreditch and islington may be partaking in similar activities but I know they have what east dulwich will never have and that is class and style which colours the intonation of anything and doesn't pally up in pile of judgements and frazzled nonsense. x

Well, East Dulwich has got its own WI so you can all join that one and I think I'll be fine with the rest of Dulwich. I can not think of any other female traits which bond women other than anatomy because people have different on ideas on what defines them as a woman. I take your point though and I'd adapt it to just vagina as not everyone has a set of tits, sorry breasts.

Exactly Alec John Moore and thanks. You don't have to live your life living up to outmoded stereotype. My issue with EDWI is that it is a branch that subscribes to what people think the WI is as opposed to what it actually is.

So women are about making bunting and trying to revive pointless things? As opposed to do what the WI is for and represent women not a bunch of "this is what we think it should be like" nonsense. Like I said I have previous experience of the WI having attended 4 different branches and the East Dulwich WI is a bit of a joke and missing the point. Please understand that it is supposed to be a progressive group not a case of lets be quaint and pointless. I think as a woman commenting on the women institute I have the right to comment. Unless you are hiding a pair of tits and a vagina behind that Jeremy then I don't think it has much to do with you. I am thinking of starting up the Dulwich WI for people who fancy doing it properly.

how many single childless women do you know that are in need of bunting? I was trying to give a constructive response but sod it let turn it into corsage vs. bunting..

In reply to http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,492820,514417#msg-514417 MakeHQ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bunting (or sewing generally) is not a > contemporary craft Bunting is not a contemporary interest but I would argue that sewing is contemporary or else I wonder how all the clothes people wear are made. Duh. There are millions or things you can teach people to sew that hold far more relevance than bunting... starting on my own person a purse, bag, hair band, corsage, skirt, t shirt... Surely promoting economy in the home in these tough times would be a far more practical use of time. Crafting doesn't all have to be about bored people trying to make pretty but could actually teach people significant and relevant life skills. Before you turn this into a plug for your company mel I don't think that includes charging people silly money for skills - your price range is not something that seems in keeping with a more economical budget and again I'd say your business is aimed at that middle class pound. I think I'd like to see something more along the lines of teaching people real and practical skills of how to turn old clothes into something new. If you want to revive the make do and mend ethos then teach people how to darn and mend. How to recycle old clothes and homewares into something new and useful.

Does making bunting count as a contemporary craft? Really? I've been involved with WI groups for 20 years and I think making bunting in a urban london community lacks function and meaning but is pandering to the middle classes who want to live in a bunting bubble. Why not aim to the demographic of people actually living in East Dulwich who are not all middle class. Yes, there is a lot on in east dulwich but the WI is suppose to be reflective of the women in a community not merely subscribing to what you believe a set of WI wannabes want to do. It is the women's institute. An institute for women. All women. If the WI started of as a white middle class institution its because thats what the times gave back then. Now everyone counts so why not try and just appeal to all women rather than what you think count as traditional WI activities. I think EDWI misses the point. Not all women in Dulwich are white middle class and don't find what was contemporary in the 50's has the same meaning as many things you could be doing now. Wake up and look around you!

since this thread started, I have been on holiday and back. Liga, seriously, where is your husband? Go and say "sorry, you were right" and stop fighting the truth.

If you don't have a car then like me and thousands of others either pat yourself on the back for having made a greener choice or accept your place on the social ladder and show some thought in the situation you are in. These massive prams are not a necessity. If you have a car then you have that choice, if you have to take the bus then you need to be appropriately equipped to deal with that. It costs more money to buy the big pram vs a pushchair. People who don't think about the getting the bus aspect or if they can even fold up their pushchair but the complain the buses are too small. It is a relatively new thing wheeling your pram on a bus. It is also not a necessity. Its a modern luxury. The space is there for wheelchairs in the first place and mums have leapt in and used it. Its nice and lovely that we get to do that now but there was a system where you had to fold up your pushchair and get ready to sit on the bus with your baby. Thats why there used to be the race to have the most compact chair for the sake of travel. I looked at a bugaboo chameleon when pram shopping and instantly saw it was too big for me to take on a bus and I couldn't fold it up with a baby under my arm. Two basic and crucial points for taking public transport in london. So no, no sympathy for SUV prams. If you have twins then you need twice the space and are probably more likely to be put out by 3 lots of pram space being taken up by the one SUV style pram. My gripe is clearly the problem of people complaining about the lack of space when they are trying to drive a beast of a pram up an aisle. Thought seems lacking in the equation. Also fuschia, I am a twin. My little brother and sister are also twins who are 20 months younger than me. My mum used to take all 4 of us on the bus with a maclaren twin plus toddler add on seats when we were 6 and 26 months old by herself and she had to fold up the chair.

civilservant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > We've stood in vain at bus-stops while empty buses > whizzed past, and we've been refused entry onto > buses unless I folded the pushchair up, so I think > I might just be entitled to comment. But even I > feel very peeved indeed when people wheel their > massive Bugaboos/Quinnys/Mamas'n'Papas/Graco > tractors on and then expect everyone else to stand > aside or squash up! I think make of pram is completely relevent and personally if the adjustment stops people taking massive prams on the bus then good! Public transport is just that public not a big taxi for one and pram. People loading up bugaboo chams and quinny buzz etc on the bus take up the room for their one pram instead of sharing the ride with two or three prams. Why even get on the bus with a pram you can't fold up. being able to push your pram on the bus is a kind extra, I still think small and prepared is polite. Big Prams on the bus is rude and selfish. It shows disregard to the other passengers rolling over toes and its rude to other mums who need to get from a to b too. If you can't fold up your pram on the bus then but have to pull it apart then it is too big and you need to stick to your car or get a bus friendly pram.

Ligaturiosity, so your own husband gave you his view on your actions (he's right btw) you don't like it so you've come on here expecting people to stand your corner and say you were right. I sense you have control issues and you need to think about yourself for yourself and leave other people to deal with themselves. If she was your friend or family member then fair enough but just attacking people on the street is unfair and uncivilized no matter what prompted it.

How long a new born sleeps can vary differently from breast fed to bottle fed. Formula is thicker and takes longer to digest than bottle milk so baby may sleep 3-5 hours. Breast fed babies sleep 2-3 hours. No one likes to mention it because frazzled tired mummies might be tempted to switch from breast to bottle. Obviously, how much baby drinks and what mum eats play a factor too.

I got my little boy big t shirts, so he wears a size 12-18, so I bought size 4 years, best thing ever. He looks tiny cute again in the oversized shirts and it keeps him cool. Has anyone tried the shade-a-babe things|?

snowboarder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh and that book We need to talk about Kevin. > (not tv sorry I know...off topic already). Do not > read if pregnant. That book was a right pile of toss and I wouldn't recommend reading it on that basis alone. Also, I thought it was clear why the boy was messed up and not generically applicable. Angelina jolie's the changling. I went to watch it after finding out I was having a boy, serious head mess.