Earl Aelfheah

Come off it Lou

I honestly don't care. Both have already caused untold amounts of damage to the UK. Boris is probably the most amoral of the two (at least Gove seems to believe in something, even if it does seem to be 'creative distruction'). Let's face it, it's a poisoned chalice anyway. Who'd want to inherit this mess.

...oh and it appears that the EU aren't falling over themselves to give us a preferential deal, but in fact want us to Fock off as soon as possible.

The EU camp are now saying they want free movement of labour, that there isn't a ?350m 'Brexit windfall' after all and it appears Boris' claim made just before the vote, that there would be no economic shock in the event of Brexit, was 'mistaken'. Wierd. Newsnight exchange with Brexit MEP Daniel Hannan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36628894

What a ridiculous act of self harm.

Yeah, I've kind of given up arguing about 'Brexit'. It seems to me that a lot of people really aren't interested in reasoned arguements. I mean the leave camp have actually made a virtue out of 'not listening to experts'.

Anyone know the prices?

Whatever the outcome, I really think the decision will have to be final. It would be madness to have yet another referendum anytime in the foreseeable future

mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A resident asked when would Windsor Walk be > re-opened to traffic. In response, Councillor Mark > Williams, explained that the bridge over Windsor > Walk was cracked and Network Rail had to get a new > one built which was taking time. The same thing was said about Camberwell Grove and it never fully reopened. If the bridge if cracked as a result of the huge trucks and heavy machinery used in the developments on Windsor Walk, I do hope that some contribution from the builders will be levied. In my opinion, if Network Rail cannot or will not repair / maintain the road bridges, then control should be passed over to someone else.

Why has another thread been started?

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According the polls., Remain has pulled narrowly > ahead in most and at worst drawn even. Most of > the polling was done before Jo Cox's death so the > surge for Remain can only be partly attributable > to that. > > Louisa, what exactly do you think Cameron needed > to address about immigration? > > Immigration is 100% an economic positive for the > UK. EU immigrants make up 5% of the country. > Loads of Brtis have left for Europe as well so the > net population change is only a couple million > people. They are in work and contributing tax as > well as providing vital skills the country needs > to continue growing and providing public services, > particularly the NHS in which immigrants play a > huge role. > > Most EU immigrants are in London, where most > people are pro-Remain because they are best placed > to see the advantages (economic and cultural) of > EU migration. The supposedly lower skilled > immigrants from Eastern Europe make up less than > half of total EU immigrants and are too small a > population to have had any widespread impact on > most working class people. > > Continuing to pander to the misinformation and > paranoia in my view only legitimizes EU > immigration concerns driven by fear rather than > reality. The lies about Turkey and Middle Eastern > countries joining the EU as a means to stoke bad > feeling is for me beyond the pale. > > The Leave campaign really should focus on > articulating the advantages of leaving the EU and > why its worth paying the economic price it will > entail (I still have no clear vision of this). I completely agree. Unfortunately for many, many years, the press have discussed immigration almost entirely in terms of 'a problem'. This narrative has been at best, left unchallenged by politicians, at worst, encouraged. It's convenient for everyone to have a scapegoat handy when needed and so certain sections of the press have been allowed to peddle misinformation, prejudice and insinuation about 'dangerous immigrants'. It becomes a truism in the end... How do you address the 'problem', what's your answer? The only person I've actually heard reject the premise and say 'there isn't a general problem' is Corbyn and not surprisingly, it's been met with derision.

The most insightful, informed and coherent talk I've heard https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLiverpool/videos/1293361974024537/

I do think that for such an important change, there should be a requirement for more than 50% of eligible voters to actively vote to leave.

Question Air? really does have the most boring and also overpriced attire I have ever seen.

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Yeah, it's all pretty poor.

In rush hour, walking to Waterloo takes about the same time as the bus, but it's not a particularly pleasant walk. You can get the train to Blackfriars and walk from there, but still have to catch a bus to Denmark Hill and Thameslink line is pretty unreliable and busy in RH. Alternatively, you can get train from ED to London Bridge and then try to get on the Jubilee line. Probably about 35-40 minutes in total (although again, not the most pleasant journey). All in all, I would say that either the bus, or cycling are the best (of limited) options.

.. and there in lies the problem with the Councils decision to turn a blind eye.

It doesn't directly effect me, but the principle irks me. When the bridge on Camberwell Grove closed, we were told that the width / weight restrictions put in would be temporary. The bridge never fully re-opened. Now a bridge a little further along has also been closed. It seems the infrastructure is just allowed to deteriorate over time. Where's the accountability?

What is going on with the bridges, both on Windsor Walk and Camberwell Grove. Are Network Rail no longer charges with maintaining the rail infrastructure?

All you lefty fascists? I think you may need a nice cup of tea and a sit down.

Remain was ahead most of the way through the campaigns, because Leave just couldn't put up a convincing economic arguement. That's when Leave decided to hit the emergency 'immigration' button and start implying (whilst assiduously not explicitly stating) that a vote to leave would cut down the number of people coming here to work (obviously they didn't put it in those terms, more 'coming here to 'take houses, jobs and to launch terrorist attacks'). Unfortunately it has been very successful and that is why the polls are moving. If we 'Brexit' I suspect it will be in large part down to the idea that leaving will lead to less immigration (which it probably won't) and the ridiculous notion that public services will improve as a result of a weaker economy.

Ruthlessly exploiting a tragedy: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/13/shameful-leaveeu-tweet-uk-face-orlando-style-attack I know there has been some questionable tactics on both side of the debate, but the Leave camp really are wallowing in the gutter.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wales is statistically speaking one of the most > Eurosceptic regions of the UK, and ironically > according to the 2011 census has the smallest > proportion of Other-EU citizens out of all > regions. Scotland is without doubt pro-EU as is > London, but pretty much the rest of the country > (apart from the odd city here and there) is > anti-EU (including Northern Ireland). > > Louisa. that's not what that map says (although I have no idea how accurate it is). What are you basing taht on Lou?

...and Glasgow further north than Moscow (is that right?)