You would never be accepted over here Mick Mack, you are NOCD! Some last thoughts before I head off to Westfield: I have no enormous problem with any priest or monk who (for example) pops his leg in a wood chipper or hacks off a finger, and claims that he has acquired a saintly and miraculous injury in order to increase the popularity of the church. I once met a lovely woman who falsely claimed that there was research based evidence that proved teenagers who were breastfed did not develop acne ? when I challenged her on it, she said that it did not matter that it was a lie, if it meant more women breastfed, then it was a good lie! At the time, she gave me a big headache, but I didn?t think it was worth a row. I have no problem with a monk who has a legion of lovers, a school full of children and hits the pillow every night with the bishop and a couple of assorted deacons and clergy members. Good luck to him! I have a problem with people who because of their elevated social position, consider themselves above the law as it applies to everyone else (including MPs), people who use their power to abuse vulnerable people (including paedophiles), and people who blindly elevate these charismatic characters despite the evidence in front of their faces (the German army facilitated Hitler). And no, I will never back down on this, because it is fear of upsetting the status quo that permits terrible horrors to perpetuate.