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Really enjoying this, despite trying to fast forward through much of the early hours events on I-player. Highlights include the Indonesian lady running off court to get a replacement badminton racket, the Italians' celebration yesterday as well as sharing the high jump gold, our freestyle BMXers and of course footage of family and friends celebrations in Blighty. And of course some of the emotions on winning. Seems to manage OK without the crowds, those teams in the venues make a lot of noise including clapping for other athletes in their run up to the jumps. I think we also see how close competitors are to each other, some regularly competing around the world. Point has also been made that it seems to be better now that GB have backed off their ruthless pursuit of medals, now punching only slightly over our weight.

Hadn't realised - I hope a few took them up on this. Wonder what the demographic was - under 35s or older. Impressed that you had to be double jabbed, take a test or show proof that you have had Covid in the past.

Hadn't seen all of this..... Pretty polarised, but I am in the Pilton camp (village next to Glastonbury) where most endure the festival seeing the bigger benefits. Although they are bribed with free day tickets, perhaps the Gala should have done similar. Same can be said about the nuisance of those letting of fireworks in the early hours at every opportunity (well at least we didn't have this for Euro 2020..) and the occasional house party. Annoying but you quickly forget and move on.

Thought someone was having a big street party until realised it was coming from the Rye. This followed the jerk cookout event on Saturday, so we have had live music in earshot all weekend, although I preferred the former. The Horniman event was very friendly, as it sounds GALA. Nice one.

Rocks - the big stick is across the board, not specifically at SE22. Us inner borough leftie political elite wokey educated etc (I am being facetious) are generally far more environmentally conscious than our cousins in the outer boroughs and the shires. Elsewhere it is far more difficult to prise people out of their cars. You will be more aware of how much traffic is local, as opposed to through traffic coming from other boroughs. Not so far away people are known to drive to the streets near Honor Oak Park station as this is zone 3 and with the connections to the underground seen to be a good place to get on the public transport network, whilst paying less for your season ticket if you are from further out. Lewisham has so far avoided a CPZ. The private school run is probably a similar example.

heartblock - the fact is that air pollution in isolation does not kill you, it is a contributing factor, in particular for those most vulnerable. I know you are pretty knowledgeable on the subject but others may appreciate this summary from the American EPA https://www.epa.gov/no2-pollution/basic-information-about-no2 If you were in a room with high levels of nitrogen dioxide, or carbon monoxide, that would kill you. But not at the levels seen at the road side. A brief trawl on the evidence on fatalities suggests LC50 for CO in the 1000s of ppm and for NO2 about 170 ppm. Typical ambient concentrations for CO are 0.5 - 15ppm (later I understand is indoor with gas stove) and for NO2 short term ambient limits of around .1 PPM. Apols, the air quality limits are in micrograms per metre cubed and I haven't cross referenced against PPM. I am sure our general views on the subject are not a million miles apart. There is, for example, a text alert system for those most vulnerable to air pollution. https://www.airtext.info/ GLA were working with schools on safer routes for walking away from the most polluted roads. Al this stems from well before LTNs were introduced. Alice - my point, which I have made numerous times, is that one cannot take a narrow perspective on this. I've made little or no comment on the details of the Dulwich LTN, but my view remains is that through carrot and stick (and probably big ones too) that you have to discourage driving, in particularly journeys that could be considered non-essential. I believe that most motorists couldn't give a fig about air pollution, and simply don't want to be inconvenienced. I also expect that most posting on this thread are far better informed/more environmentally conscious that the average motorist.

Killing Joke - I was at their gig at Ox Poly in the 1980s and it was one big punch up, all in time to the beat of the music. Superstar DJ's, here we go. Oh, that was another song....

We've got COP-26 which is a massive wake up call about reducing carbon emissions and avoiding the worst impacts of climate change. Overpopulation is one of the main factors. Whilst I am not advocating the former Chinese approach our PM is not setting a great example.

Rocks, you are not paying attention. Using terms such as idiots does not help your cause and you lose the moral high ground. I did give you and others some pretty good advice on the LTN thread, do pay attention. [that is not saying whatever is going on is right, just if you are arguing any point it doesn't help to start throwing names around]

Langton Rise by the cemetery, although not since Thames Water have blocked one of the lanes! As per alex-b I expect most of this is dodgy businesses eg tyres and builders waste and we should not make excuses for them by blaming local authorities.

OK some medical facts here. Air pollution can lead to chronic poor health for example through asthma or cardiovascular disease. We have to live with a certain level of risk and cannot totally eliminate possible harm - be it from natural sources or man made. Even if we went back to pre-industrial revolution times (the air on the Southbank was putrid in particular due to the leather industry) or back to the stone age - more deaths currently are associated from air pollution from cooking and heating in doors over open fires (which is what much of the world still does). Pollution rarely gets severe enough to lead to death and sadly this will be to those who are particularly vulnerable and should be protected. This is not the 1950s when the great smogs had some pretty acute affects. Maximum roadside limits on key pollutants are set to help reduce health consequences. The main source is from the internal combustion engine, in particular older diesels (pre mid 2015) - these are being reduced in number both as the vehicle fleet is replaced and in due course due to the ULEZ. Older petrol cars, allowed under the ULEZ, will be polluting. Most of the older London buses have been cleaned up by fitting a chemistry kit on the exhaust. There are other factors such as driving style, if the masses of drivers were bothered about air pollution they would adopt a much smoother driving style rather than the accelerate/brake. We have a network of main roads across London that should take the bulk of the traffic. Some flow better than others for example the dual carriageways A2, A3 and the like. Others can be awful - parts of the South Circ, A23 trough Brixton, Putney High Street, Marylebone Road. But the main problem is capacity and few of us would want more roads. Meeting the air quality limits doesn't make the air safe. It is simply what the regulators decided (in this case the EU, WHO and implemented by national governments) was realistically achievable. People live by most of our main roads. Society has to decide if this is right, and if not what to do about it, an extreme fix would be to have canopies over the main roads. An even more extreme one is to ban all motorised traffic. I doubt if most on this thread would go for either. So if you want to maintain your current standard of living you will have to tolerate some level of risk from air pollution. It simply wont vanish. As individuals and a society we all need to do more to reduce both pollution and CO2 resulting from our activities, be this the food we eat, the clothes we wear, leisure, work, shelter, hygiene and warmth. If those of you who have posted 1000s of times about the Dulwich LTN put their efforts into reducing pollution we would be in a much better place. As some have said doing nothing is not an option. I expect there will be gnashing of teeth from some who are already playing their part - but we need everyone to do this. Government talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk, leaving it to local authorities to do their dirty work. Labour has no position on this, and some such as Paul Wheeler has taken a retrograde stance.

OMG I am agreeing with an alt right troll... Must stop watching GB news....

It's a reasonably balanced article, and you would expect some of the environmental groups to want to go a lot further. It's their job. It would be fun if XR infiltrated local authorities - now that would stir up a s..t storm and the 1000s of posts complaining about restrictions on our 'normal' life would turn into 10,000s!

Hmm that one seems to have been disabled. Odd

Can we put in the embedded code please boys and girls, right click and fourth one down Here we go

Good heavens, RBKC are awful. You really can't defend them. Get in the way of cross London cycle routes. Old school Tory of the worst type. Obviously you have posted that as a wind up. Got me there. This thread is about the rights and wrongs of what Southwark are doing (and by inference our actions too). I don't know the detail like some of you do, and I am interested in the big picture. Climate change strategy is important to me and I posted elsewhere the review of the UK carbon budget by the Climate Change Committee. We have this enshrined in law, but agree with others this should not be a distraction for both the authorities and individuals taking action. Any one complaining about China should have a look in their own wardrobe. Finally a plea for everyone, whatever your views are, please avoid using pejorative terms such as 'idiots' - it comes over all knee jerk and Daily Mail, and you lose the moral high ground. By all means describe the actions and behaviors you are concerned about. Notice I didn't call RBKC idiots, evil Tories, whatever I may think. Actually on rereading your post Rocks, you weren't defending them. There is another lesson, (for me at least), don't jump to conclusions.

It was an off thread go at one of the Tory governments Rocks. As for public spirited I am doing that by cutting my carbon footprint having long since stopped unnecessary driving. Although you could also say with all these threads relating to LTNs this has provided a public service in giving good info on where not to drive. I've found it useful and whilst I seem to have had every sort of fixed penalty notice in the past, certainly wont be getting one with the LTNs. And on all the comments on LTNs being cash cows for local authority what percentage of revenue does this provide? Will be pretty tiny.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps a real indicator as to how long the PM will last is if a poll was done to find out how many people refer to him as Boris or Johnson. I'd say the overwhelming majority refer to him as 'Boris' currently but I'm hopeful that will change. The sooner the better please. I hate people calling him Boris. It isn't even his name ffs. He's not your friend and he really doesn't care about you. Mr/Ms/Mrs Medic, plagiarising my posts? Couldn't have put it any better myself, and almost the same words as I put in a complaint to the BBC. I kept that one going for some time, having superficial replies, escalating to the DG but eventually even I gave up expecting a proper response. Grauniad is no better - 2/3rd of their articles refer to him as Boris Johnson. Well at least his own party, and some of the better politicians in other parties, refer to him formally as the PM. In his cockups in County Hall he becomes the former Mayor of London in my parlance.

The government before last (or before that) was supposed to deal with excessive enforcement charges, aimed at the private clampers. Not sure if they delivered in that manifesto commitment. They were also keen on reducing town centre parking charges, scuppering a wonderful park and ride scheme in Coventry where electric buses ferried people into the high street. Not very joined up thinking from national government.

Worrying, do I eat in Wetherspoons or Gails? Maybe I'll toss a coin.

Rocks, we were having a bit of fun until you got all serious again....

Once you have done your sport then it turns into a sex party - been happening for a number of Olympics. You are full of joy and endorphins and can eat junk food again so what is next. Olympic Village is bit like a university Campus with students partying after their exams whilst some are still revising for theirs. I was there once (the latter)

> > > parents not familiar with the area trying to drive > their kids to the Herne Hill velodrome... How very ironic. Used to cycle mine there. And talking about cycling 22 hours overnight and 260 miles Adrian - sounds a bit masochistic! I did 300 km overnight in Sweden once, never again.....

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