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Why would as anyone want to vote Refit. OTT by Davey but why ate you saying it was disastrous? Just catching up on Newsnight and they are having an adult conversation on this

Yes very tactfully put. It irritated me and as with upper case comes across as shouting. I'll be a bit more direct in future 😄

Back to my earlier post about familiarity. I was in Croydon this afternoon walking between the two main stations. Didn't feel unsafe, but there were some 'interesting' characters on the street. Not that any were bothered with me. Not a place I'd choose to go for a bit of a fun. Although having said that West Croydon has some cracking restaurants and the wonderfully named Saints and Sinners bar, where I once went on a corporate do - not that I did many of these. Whoops just checked and it closed a few months ago. Back on track, I never went to the Castle as I felt it was a bit rough. How wrong was I? Only real pub left in the area.

Campaigns must be aimed at all road users encouraging sharing of the road. US VS THEM IS NOT HELPFUL Used uc not to shout but make a point that UC is wrong in social media. It's not me being the internet police just polite etiquette @Rockets why are you again promoting an anti cycling thread. As a cyclist wouldn't it be better to share the joys?

Familiarity is important, I lived near Brixton in the old days and was fairly comfortable, but for many years avoided Peckham. That has reversed in the last 15 years. I recall around Dalston and the A10 and burned out cars. Now super trendy. Pub violence has largely gone but that was groups of men getting drunk on Saturday night and brawling. Similarly little football violence, East Dulwich/West Peckham was edgy last century.

How long is a piece of string? Depends whether you are building 'new towns' or brown field urban sites. I expect developers, planners and builders know far more than we do. Where are you getting your information about infrastructure from ? Your comment on new reservoirs seems more relevant to population expansion and/or climate change.

My perspective is the same as yours Sue. Biggest issue is road rage when I cycle, mainly drivers but once a Line bike rider I expect coked up. But even that is rare

Anywhere near the Overground/Windrush due to its excellent transport links. You will get larger place in SE23 for example that will give you enough spare cash for private school if that's what you really want but states schools generally good, reflecting the demographic Easy to get to the bustling streets of East Dulwich but in ten years see what happens to Forest Hill centre. The whole of the area is full of green spaces. Access to East Croydon for days out in the South Coast

I feel safe. I've suffered my own share of crime in London, and also elsewhere in the UK and world. But I still feel safe For those giving personal rather than objective cures about crime, and speculating, I suggest that you attend your SNT meeting.

There are some who just constantly complain about cyclists I'm well placed to criticise cycling standards. And other road user standards. But as regards to the former I'd rather look at the positives. If which there are many. Back to my earlier questions please

I'd love to see some positive posts from you about cycling

There has been a number of achievements, but drowned out due to: Bloody awful comms from the government Some daft decisions and initiatives, then either digging themselves into a hole and/or turning For example the well off should not get winter fuel allowance, benefit needs to be reformed and rich farmers should not get tax breaks, but we now how all that went Employers national insurance - money has to be raised from somewhere but that is the difficult question The image from the right wing press has now stuck, propagated by traditional and social media. And then some appalling acts of self harm. We of course all know better, but I do wonder about the competence of those advising him.

Wouldn't you like Labour to turn things around, preferably under Starmer, at least for the time being? Otherwise, seeing as the Tories are useless, you are throwing your hand in with Farage. I'm sure that most of us on this site really don't want that.

He's done pretty well with Trump so far. Not sure where you get your info from.

Unless we don't fly I don't think we can be too critical of the authorities.

HHV tickets going fast

Can you show me where there has to be a referendum?

Rather than zero tolerance, a term I should have not used, I should have referred to crime, No crime (excluding some things which really should not be criminalised) should be tolerated (albeit the reaction to a naughty 13 year old will be different to a violent criminal, and similarly those with mental health issues there will be some flexibility), I' was talking zero crime, which is impossible. New York was vastly improved, what happened to that wonderful Giuliani chap? US is not a role model of course, homicides per head dwarf the UK; the damage that white flight and the desolation of inner cities that happened to many places such as Baltimore, Washington DC and Detroit is difficult to turn round Much rather move this debate to the Lounge!

Lloyd Weber and Cilla Black were supposed to leave when Blair got in, but didn't

You can't have zero tolerance unless you live in a fascist/police state. Sadly it is something you have to accept in a democracy. There has always been crime, even in North Korea, the Soviet bloc, Nazi Germany, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge etc. The discussion point is how big a police force we need and capabilities, punishment, and building communities. And how much we are prepared to pay in extra taxation. Even in the good (economic) times there is crime. And crime under both Labour and Tory governments. I do not accept that phone thefts and parcel thefts are just statistics. Police have to prioritise what they do, we might not agree with it. And most criminals are multi-tasking, moving to where the best return is considering the risk of being caught. And there has to be a market, someone somewhere needs to buy a stolen product (I never buy off Gumtree). A starting point would be to decriminalise all illegal drugs, but that is definitely for a separate Lounge conversation, interesting discussion paper here: https://kar.kent.ac.uk/105520/1/A. Stevens - In defence of the decriminalisation of drug possession in the uk - PPDF.pdf Did you watch any of the series of Peaky Blinders? This was a very popular series that glorified gang crime and violence. Funny (ironic) that may enjoy films and TV that does this. Although only the first series had any historical accuracy in it, Criminal gangs were around before and ever since.

Looking back at the OP I'm not sure what the purpose of starting the thread was. (a) This is dreadful, more should be done to protect the cyclists (b) Cyclists and drivers need to use the road more carefully/responsibly (c) Cyclists are menaces and it is their own fault Always useful to have some views fro/in the OP of what their interest is @ianr looking at your other posts they appear to be fairly considered so it would good to know your take But what has happened is apart from me those of you who have posted don't like cyclists, some of you have made your points on numerous threads. @tedfudge you wear your politics on your sleeve and clearly don't like the Mayor of London. From this I expect that you don't like the measures introduced to increase cycling (and walking) although numerous initiatives were introduced by a Tory mayor and Tory PMs. Whilst I have shared my views on Johnson numerous times (the damage that he did to the country); whilst his motives may be self-serving he did a lot of good for both cleaning up our air and for active travel.

Looks like he is happy to get dodgy funding for his conference too..... https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/reform-conference-relied-on-sponsorship-from-crypto-and-tobacco-companies?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-gb I suppose being an entrepreneur means you look the other way....

Then you will appreciate the joy and benefits. You most be aware that most on this forum post to complain about cyclists rather than promote riding. Nature of social media that tends to focus on downsides, real.or otherwise.

@jazzer start a where are the police thread on the Lounge. In response to this several police officers were hurt at the Tommy Robinson march event yesterday. 150 thousand marched in support of the convicted criminal Robinson, many who have violent criminal convictions themselves and would support violence in pursuit of their aims. And our right wing and far right politicians, celebs and influencers have all encouraged this divide in our community. Yes I have got political

Oh dear, another thread that has mutated to an anti cycling one. Cycling brings joy to millions. Need a bit more joy around here😃