Clearly I should not have gone off at a tangent, I don't think anyone got my point about SS but I don't want to spell this out further. I thought there was another thread about a web site where they censor the sort of discussion we are having. So back to the point (a) I was grumpy (b) I did not directly criticise the promoter © I've enjoyed the debate (d) I was interested in other's views on gigs they had got into/or hadn't got into (or other events) Here's some more starters for ten, clearly giving my age away. Went to Brum Odeon to get a Judy Priest ticket for a mate. They said horah that is the last ticket sold. Went to see the Cramps at The Hammersmith Palais, long queue for those with tickets, short one for those without, and they were down to single figures of tickets left when I got in (after coming down by train from Oxford). Went to try to get into see Billy Bragg at the Blackheath Halls on Spec. We asked if they could sell us a couple of tickets. No we can't said the door staff but we can give you them (they had no way of selling them on the night). Went to the ticket office on the day Everton vs Newcastle first match of the 05/06 season with Shearer returning. Long since sold out but they sold my brother in law and I tickets for the kids enclosure. Went to Luton vs a mighty team in the Championship. No tickets were sold on the night, following the riot by our local friedns from Bemondsey there sometime in the late 80s. Went back half an hour into the match and the ticket office apologised for having to stick to the rules, and then sold us a couple of tickets. And if dear reader, you are still following this. Went to the Golden Lion in Sydenham on Saturday to see the Prisonaires with Deptford's finest - Bobby Valentino. Smashing night, and we reminisced about the Golden Age of Deptford - Fabulous Poodles, Squeeze, Dire Straigths, Mark Perry and ATV. See: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNDEjFQ7w8 a stonking song, some awful camera work and visual effects and now you understand why dads dance this way (the dads were of course teens and early 20s in the video). I can't discuss this sort of thing on some other 'community' web sites as it would be taken off for being too progressive, or not having anything to do with house prices in it.