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This was an edited view but probably reflects British society too. Lincolnshire. There, I have said it. I think that it is fine to preach from our liberal safe haven, but interesting to hear from those living in the separate world out there. This is posted purely for debate rather than to inflame emotions!

Interesting perspective from a Brit I know across the pond in Memphis. Any national vote has any number of groups turning out for different reasons. In any vote you'll have dyed in the wool types of whichever side of the spectrum and then you'll have tepids who turn out when they feel so inspired. In this election it wasn't so much about the reactionaries turning out it was the liberals staying at home. The turnout was hugely lower than 2012 which in turn was hugely lower than 2008. You need only look at the figures. If people want to secure liberal gains they need - as we political scientists say in technical parlance - to get off their arses and vote for it. After the outcome there's a lot going round here (perhaps in all the world for all I know) about some of the rural left-behinds. It's actually a decent point about groups who have been largely abandoned in traditional communities and how little in practical terms is done to address the issue of change brought about by changes in manufacturing and trade. By the way, although all the talk is about the hillbilly rednecks this is a huge problem in rural black communities too. Before all the manufacturing went to Mexico or China they used to like to build factories in places like Alabama or Mississippi where lesser union regs and cheap cost so of living meant reduced manufacturing costs. Anyway these hillbilly demographics aren't the whole reason the election was lost but it did make a difference. The bulk of the republican vote has little to do with male privilege. The are huge swathes of fundamental religious folk who will put their reasons for voting as number one "pro-life", number two pro-gun. Despite the ironies implicit in this these people are very real and very prevalent. Also very hard to understand from a European perspective. One thing worth bearing in mind in a nation so very spread out and with a fairly light government support net is the role of the church in providing help and support and basic things like community meeting places. They really are enmeshed in the fabric of - especially rural - life and so the churches have a much stronger cultural prevalence the in Europe whee other structures have largely superseded.

I popped into a Sainsburys store near to Wokingham once. I of course noticed that the DMs were piled high, but they had a single copy of the Morning Star, which I just had to buy. I told the assistant that they needed to order more (it was a few years ago, so you still had people on tills). She didn't know what the Morning Star was. Hope you lot do. Up the workers.

The co-op bank invested in some dodgy things. I suggest burning torches and mobs. Sorted out the poll tax.

I write to many letters of complaint I wrote a letter of thanks yesterday to Timpson. What? Timpson, the key cutting chain? Why on earth? I tried to write a letter of thanks to Peckham Plex but couldn't find an address. Of course these are electonic letters (e mails/web) If you ask me nicely I will tell why I thanked them. I owe a letter of thanks to Britanny Ferries and Eurostar. Both stars.

If anonymous don't see any probs sharing. Sadly I don't have the answer but imagine many relationships are like this. Do try 'Relate' if no one else has suggested, I am sure that is used to be free. Of course both of you will want to do this. https://www.relate.org.uk/about-us/faqs/how-much-does-counselling-cost I thought that going to relate was compullsory before you could get a divorce. Not that I am suggesting the latter but thought that successive governments were keen on stable relationships. It was of course once the mariage guidance council. Actually just had a quick look at the home page and looks really useful in a variety of circumstances. Whats worse is that I should be tidying up which helps marital harmony and what am I doing? Meddling. Nuff said!

Don't just post this I scrolled down the attachment and was none the wiser. People over 30 need a few words of guidance.

Meant to point out that frequented Lorenzos many a time before Si Mangia arrived. It seems to be another life (which it was) when I used to go to Crystal Palace for a night out. Much rougher in those days as was everwhere around here.

I'm a outsider so don't really count. But seeing as you asked - GBK - once, and it reminded me of that old joke "waiter, where's my stake" "you'll find it under your pea sir" Blue Mountain - occasionally EDT - very surprised and will go back Rye Hotel - food was fine in the past, in recent times prices gone up as they try to make it even more gastro. But you can get a table in the summer. They also sold me an uncooked lump of stuff from the BBQ last year that was supposedly a vegie burger but uneatable. (yes it did go back) Clock - wont go their as it has been ruined by successive refurbs CPT - used to provide plates of sandwiches at the quiz which were great Curry houses. Aren't these all the same offering generic formulaic foo?. Have eaten a couple of times but did like the veggy one which didn't last long Thai Corner cafe - used it a few times when we first came to the area in the 90s - sound like standards have dropped? And my favourite, and sadly no longer, Grace and Favour. Ticked all the boxes for a relaxed lunch, including lovely portugese cakes, great coffee (for someone who rarely drinks the stuff) and nice med type food. Far better than BMC. Shame it shut.

On a separate point I've heard nothing about the real Americans, ie native American Indians. They have been shat on for the last four hundred years. Does their voice count?

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Look at this quote in the Hindustani times > > "This is the real world, not DisneyWorld, The > monster doesn?t become a loveable rogue in the > end. He stays a monster.? > > Ireland and India appear most miserable about > this. > As ever some great posts - that I can draw from but not add too in substance. Stil waiting for my US contacts to get back to me for how they see the broader picture. But the Hindustani comment brought back light hearted memories. The fist series of Spitting Image finished with a speical, where the 'evil' Thatcher was in fact a fake, and they realised the real imprisoned Thath at the end and everything was sweetness and light.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This wasn't primarily about the working classes > who've suffered under globalisation. Whilst this > may be a part of the story, (there were lot's of > different people voting Brexit / Trump, for lot's > of different reasons of course), the bigger > picture in both cases is one of older, relatively > comfortable, white men, who feel things are worse > today than they used to be. Brexit was trailing > until they focussed relentlessly on immigration. > Trumps campaign was laced with xenophobia and > misogyny. The truth is that this wasn't 'anti > establishment'. It was the result of a successful > campaign by the likes of Rupert Murdoch, viscount > Rothermere, many in the Conservative party and the > ruling elite, over many years. It was a kick back > against progressive social changes which have > sought to erode some of the traditionally white, > male Establishment privilege. We should see it for > what it is - and it's far from a working class > revolution. Think thae sums it all up nicely. I'll be quoting many of your words. Thanks.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyone else googling 'What does it take to impeach > a President of the United States?' ? I for one am pleased as it has helped me rediscover some great protest music. I am clearly not pleased about the impact on world economic and political stability, those in Aleppo, equal rights (so much that we have changed in my lifetime). But here's a great one that can be equally applied should the result have gone the other way. This is class, and on a bizarre morning has to bring some smiles to dumbfounded faces.

Wow there is a whole wiki entry for Regan songs - mainly protest I hasten to add. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_in_music Do we have one for Donald and for Hilary? One good thing has come out of this, a rekindled admiration of Gil Scott Heron. And here's protest song from Blighty - old school punk www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZJxFo5Br_0

And better still that thug Jordan didn't score....

Two things that put me seriously off professional football - music after goals (thank God most of those teams were relegated to the Championship) and garish away kits. Three actually - unecessary changes of kits. So not only do you have a dreadful second kit, you insist on wearing it at away matches? Yuk. Just leave, now, just leave the Union, now, and don't come back until you have sorted it. Anyway I've found it. In 38 years my memory has dimmed a little - I thought it was 2-0 but Channon got a dodgy penalty at the end. And the brilliant second goal, well it was a brilliant pass and cross which I distinctly remember.... And a proper Scottish kit. (Ignore the Revie/Admiral one, although doesn't look so bad now) www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-8M00lpaTY But I have got an accurate memory of the noise the Scots made that day as opposed to the near silence of the England fans. In part of course as the tighter packed and much smaller old Wembley captured the noise so much better than the overdesigned modern venue.

Just presenting an alternative view.... Not necessarily mine. But I think that cleaning has a certain element of skill (or dexterity, determination or whatever). Something that I am not very good at and similarly very slow. Similarly painting, wallpapering and the like. I can do them all, but many of those charging much less for their time ar far better. Does it matter that I can (occasionally) put together a reasonend argument, evaluate evidence, use equations, come to an agreed way forward etc when my house is dirty and the paint/paper is peeling?

We could all take the moral high ground but I expect loads of you pay cash in hand for manual work in particularly building. It's how the economy works innit. Where would the US be without illegal immigrants? Alternatively have controls in place to register/license professions as they do in France which I expect is to keep foreign workers out. But in turn up go the prices. As we may see from Brexit.

Langton Rise of course, sorry. There is often a pile of tyres or builder's waste - clearly shady businesses. Currently a mattress on the Lewisham (top end) of this street - I expect ondined nipped in when we weren't looking. But it always gets me that people can be bothered to put a mattress into a van and drive there, when (certainly in Lewisham) it is pretty easy to get the Council to collect free of charge.

Two final ones (from a hero of mine), the first of which again is anti-Republican/Regan so it would be good to have a nice song for Clinton. Warning it is 12 mins long. www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtRHN7fsgY www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnJFhuOWgXg

Nice one. Pete Seger was effectively ostracised at the time for being a commie. Only in America! If Trump wins we can party likes in 1981 Not sure if there is a song for Clinton winning

Speak to your local trading standards Office (you will probably be referred to Citizens Advice). It may be that the nursury has a history already. Check out your position on unfair contracts - https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/cma-consumer-enforcement-guidance. For something as personal as looking after your children surely they cannot demand such inflexible arrangements. Nurseries could be classed as a distress purchase where the power may be with the seller. Write, preferably old school and recorded delivery with a reasonable request but say that if you don't get satisfaction that you will to to the County Court. Refer to the e-mails. You may suggest a compromise of alternative dispute resolution http://www.tradingstandards.uk/advice/AlternativeDisputeResolution.cfm which will then make you come across as being reasonable if you go further. Small Claims Court is set up to be (relatively) low cost and easy to use. I've been through it a few times. Problem can be enforcement, particularly individuals, where bills can mount up. Whilst you don't want expensive legal advice the nursery is likely to want to avoid it too.

Win 2-0 with a particularly special second goal (sadly not available on Youtube). Then invade the pitch after the final whistle. Break the crossbar. Dance around with Rod Stewart. Wait for most of the England fan/s to go home. And then it should be fairly easy to get home. Alternatively sing Engerland Engerland Engerland, God Save the Queen, and FO Europe, and they will think that you are an England fan. You can practice by watching Questiontime on Thursday and shouting at anyone in the slightest bit liberal. Or pretend to be Russian, and the queues will part like the red sea. Good luck - it's a pity that your team has become so weak in the last 20 years. So much more passionate than the home country.

Yep, you'll get it on Youtube www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmWLJmbytkk

A light-hearted look at politics over the pond (but in reality is is not a laughing matter). Here's a ditty from an earlier time I believe that life is happy and death is sad I believe my mum was married to my dad I believe that things that aren't good tend to be bad Oh I believe I'm prepared to believe that Nixon wasn't a crook I'm prepared to believe Love Story's a readable book I believe the Dirty Dozen weren't really dirty I believe that Lucille Ball's still under thirty Yes I believe Gerald Ford is clever That Bob Hope will live forever And that lever is pronounced le-ver And the best movie ever made was Saturday Night Fe-ver I'm prepared to say that Colonel Sanders can fry And that pigs and even DC-10s can fly I'm prepared to believe that things go better with coke And the Ayatollah tells a darn good knock-knock joke I believe that some folk can hear what Bugs Bunny's saying And that Salt Lake City is a real nice place to stay in I believe that JR really loves Sue Ellen I believe that things sound better when you're yelling I believe that the Devil is waiting to repent But I can't believe ****** is president (there's a more recent version for Boris but I'll leave that till later)