FFS If a carpenter needs a hammer and chooses a fekkin leather handled Estwing, costing god knows what short of ?40, then that's his/her choice. Yes other hammers are available, perfectly ok ones for ?5, perfectly ok for banging the odd nail in or hitting the thumb with. But there's not a thread about that is there. No ! On a serious note: TED you are a frikkin moron, with either hammer i'd happily nail your door shut, keeping you out of reach of any comms devices. http://s7g3.scene7.com/is/image/ae235?$p$&layer=0&size=281,281&layer=1&size=281,281&src=ae235/41235_P