Otta

Foil Gras?

Ah okay.

That play for premiership teams the vast majority of the time. This won't go away, and if he does well I still can't see a Premier League club touching him.

Agreed. I don't buy in to the role model argument.

Based on what AqM?

Not at all LadyNorwood. A female colleague of mine was saying much the same (not that she'd been there, but about the girl being responsible for herself). However, if she was unconscious when he had sex with her, that is grim in it's own way.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The problem is that he fundamentally doesn't,t > believe he's guilty. He's wrong absolutely but by > his warped sense of morality he thinks he's her > victim. So we won't get contrition, > acknowledgement, remorse or even him asking people > not to stop harassing her. For this reason, wot > *bob* said This is what I've been trying to say, but better put.

Re: The Truth of the Lie - the McCann case Posted by Keef 22 December, 2010 21:36 Okay. sue, you're like a dog with a rubber bone here, you'll get nothing from it. And DJ, as usual, you're trying to show off your debating skills here, but you're just repeating your self. Let it go everyone. That Keef bloke was pretty wise and stuff. Plus he called MockneyPiers (whoever that was) a drama queen. Haha.

X Posted with SJ.

Yes but any new houses they build (including the "affordable" one) are not affordable to most people. I don't think any one thing is "the answer".

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I thought that was basically what I said. > > I'm confused at your position, then. Do you think > he should be able to play football again or not? I would rather not unless he changes his tune, but he won't. But that's just my moral reasoning, it has nothing to do with whether he has a legal right to play again. Interesting what you say about his girlfriend's dad, I never knew that.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Actually, there are clear rules in place here > already - it's called the DBS system. Should you > want to return to work as teacher/doctor/social > worker, you would be prevented by law. There is > no current law preventing you becoming an > electrician or a footballer. I thought that was basically what I said.

I'm confused. We're you having a go at EP or Steveo? Didn't EP post that at Sue's request? I think EP was pretty much on the line or maybe a bit over it, but context is everything, and the Macann thread was pretty ghoulish.

He's a monumental prick, I agree with everything SJ says, but SJ says all that from the perseptive of a bright and decent man. I can't claim to know what Evans is thinking, but if I were forced to guess it would be something like "That slag was well up for it and we shagged then she claimed rape to get some money." He is NEVER going to say sorry if that is indeed how he's thinking. In HIS mind, he's been totally stitched up and wronged and this girl has destroyed HIM (not the other weay around).

I laughed. But possibly because I know you and could "hear" the humour in the words.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't believe they have been acting up over > their prophet since at least 1989 (Salman > Rushdie's fatwah)! Shows a distinct lack of > evolution imho 25 years. Not a long time in terms of "evolution".

But the point is that he is claiming he's innocent. His whole thing is defiance, hold your head high because you've done nothing wrong. You can't feel disgrace if you believe you're the wronged party.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30697264

I agree that papers shouldn't be intimidated in to not publishing things they'd intended to publish. But this isn't about that. If every paper was to publish these images as a retaliation, it is a blatant wind up and will likely result in someone else being killed by some nutters. And I know people that were offended a few years back by the Danish cartoon thing. These are not people that would support terrorism or want to kill people.

She might when it becomes clear he'll never be on a footballer's salary again ;-)

ernesto Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > StraferJack Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Some of the victims not even that I'd bet > > > > I've seen several calls for every newspaper to > > print the cartoon tomorrow on the front page - > > here's hoping > > > This will hardly help Agreed.

Didn't know about any website, but assuming it's some hate campaign against his victim? And yes, whether he thinks he's wronged or not, he or someone around him should at least see that making a statement asking people to back off would at very least be good PR even if he is too morally spastic to really want them to back off.

And until that changes he'll never be able to admit that he's raped someone. I believe that he genuinely thinks he's innocent and probably feels that he is the wronged party.

Can I just make this VERY VERY clear. I am not saying that what he did was any less of a rape than dragging a girl down am ally. I was simply saying that I suspect (and could be wrong) that in HIS mind they are different.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As regards the public - Everyone has the right to > act accordingly and as customers of the relevant > football clubs to make their feelings clear by > signing a petition/withdrawing their support etc. I agree with this, and respected the stand Jessica Ennis took at Sheffield. Where I am uncomfortable is when bloggers that have absolutely nothing to do with any football clubs are petitioning against him and seem to want to make bloody sure he can't play anywhere. I'm not saying he should play anywhere, but who are these people to make that call.