Otta

niki_nje Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I was and am still pretty devastated to have to move away from my friends > and my home of five years Not being blas? here, you really won't be that far. It's 15 minutes on the bus. And some of us had to move away from our home of our whole lives because of gentrification. That's the reality.

Just to clarify. I blame politicians for not listening enough to what peole really think through sensible discussion. And as Quids points out, the lack of straight answers often makes me not want to bother with the whole thing at all, and leads to "they're all the bloody same at the end of the day" feelings. I do not blame the politicians for not being able to say publically "I think we could do better on that and may have misjudged public feeling". They can't do that because they'd get slaughtered by both their opposition, the press, and the keyboard warriors.

What Louisa said. 100%

Croydon also has Waitrose.

I reckon you should have to pass a short test on politics before being allowed a vote. Some 20 year olds know the score, I suspect most don't. At 18 I didn't vote Labour because I wanted to knock that smug grin off of Tony Blair's face. Not the best reason to decide who you want running the country. Throughout my twenties (or most of them) I just cared about fun and having a laugh with my mates now that I had money to burn (God if only I'd saved some of that). I always had a moral compass, which isn't much different now to how it would have been at 20. But now I realise that there's a bit more to it than what feels right or wrong. In honestly it's only since my late 20s that I started really paying attention to the world outside of my life, and now I can't get enough of the depressing bunch of shite. But in all honestly, before that I was voting largely on superficial stuff and who said the right things and sounded like they'd be fairest, I didn't really look any deeper. Now perhaps I'm alone in that, but I bloody well doubt it, if people are honest with themselves, I suspect a lot of them would hold their hands up and say that they weren't really that switched on to politics until they were pushing 30.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Btw ? I?m not trying to pick on you Otta. It?s > just you expressed an opinion I hear so regularly > and I always wonder why people don?t join the > dots Nope, I expressed an opinion that you mistook for another opinion, then I explained myself, but rather than acknowledging it, you basically said "nope, you meant this".

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "I know that would be suicide a" > > if that's the case why blame the politician - why > not blame the people who would judge him/her for > it? Where did I blame him? The whole sentence was "I know that would be suicide and that he can't do it, but that's what depresses me". I don't blame him, I don't even blame Cameron. I blame Tony Blair a fair bit, because he was a master of playing to "it" and set the modern standard. The "it" that I really blame are the stupid f**king people I share a country with. The ones that will vote based on who plays the part best and looks / seems most "prime ministerial". I'm not the most "up" on politics, compared to someone like D_C (this is a compliment by the way) I feel somewhat inept when talking about this stuff (but at least I can admit that). But I am not stupid, and I won't vote because someone looks or sounds the part. Hopefully one day it will happen, but at the moment I can't imagine a politician ever being able to show weakness and use it to his/her advantage. They have to be full of false bluster, and it's just a load of old crap frankly.

Ouch indeed. Nicely played though, perfect response.

"So hopefully the gentrification is upon us!" Please don't take this as an attack on you, it's not. I am glad you've found a place, and Anerley is nicer than people give it credit for, and as you say, right next door to CP. But that last statement just makes me sad. I want to live in a nice place with things to do, and friendly people. But why is "gentrification" what every bloody person seems to want?

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That sort of pointlessly optimisitic delusion is > what all modern political leaders have to dole out > in these circumstances. I am sure you're right, it's just so depressing. This isn't a go at Miliband, because I'm sure the others would have put exactly the same spin on it (and I think Ed's a good guy), but for me it's exactly what is wrong. The politicians think they know best what is best for us all, so they spin everything as a positive. I'd honestly rather hear him say that this shows that people are not convinced, and that they need to hear the people more, rather than assuming they know what's good for them. I know that would be suicide and that he can't do it, but that's what depresses me.

I was a bit surprised how young he is too.

This is a bit ironic though to be fair. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29561299

"Labour leader Ed Miliband tells the BBC News Channel: "What we saw last night was a Tory party losing in their own back yard in Clacton and in retreat on what used to be their front line in the North West." Is he having a f**king bubble?

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bee Gees wrote some really great songs and they > certainly understood the zeitgeist. > Those voices are pretty marmite I reckon though. Oh God yes, I hate the falsetto, but the talk of Abba made me think of them.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Something tells me it'll result in some > brow-furrowing, hand-wringing and not a lot else. I hope you're wrong, though I doubt it. I guess when it comes to the GE a lot of people will go back to blue or red and UKIP won't do as well as they're hoping. At which point they'll be dismissed by the "main parties" as a flash in the pan. But I think they will continue to grow until they're taken seriously.

Bee Gees?

Much as I don't like UKIP, I feel kind of excited by this. Even last night on Question Time all the other parties were still dismissing it as just a protest vote or a racist vote. It's like they're refusing to wake up to the fact that people think they're shit.

I didn't think it was in bad taste at all. And the scene where the thick one is showing them how he used different voices and hid his beard whilst buying bleach is genius.

Yours was more than an opinion PD. You didn't say "I don't like Penge, it's a bit grim and feels a bit rough to me". That is an opinion. You basically said Penge is a rough dump where crime is high and you'll likely get attacked. That's not an opinion that's just a nonsense (the likely to get attacked bit - if you think it's grim that's fair enough).

First time I watched Four Lions I didn't find it very funny at all. Second time I found it hilarious. Weed.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anyway, my memory seems to be going in > early-middle-age as Otta has corrected me. > > So I respectfully retract. Just to clarify, I don't know how Nero would have faired if a poll had been taken, I'm not suggesting a majority defo wanted them, just that we don't know that a majority didn't.

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also please let's not weigh into someone when > they've been brave enough to mention they've been > dealing with depression! Personal comments may > have much more of an effect than you intended. > Emmableu, good to hear ED is a happier place for > you and I hope it stays that way. Fair point, no "weighing in" was really intended, but I still think the post was needlessly shitty about a place people live. Suggesting that people from an area are aggressive and that there is no community feel is not right. Of course people are entitled to an opinion, but if they voice it like that, then it's little wonder the community didn't welcome her with open arms. Personally I have felt more community in Penge than I have since the CPT closed in ED.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Local feeling was very much against it. Exaggeration. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,5628,5737 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,9789,10014 They took liberties over planning permission and people thought that was poor form, but to suggest that "local opinion" was generally (let alone very much) against it being there isn't true (or at least you've got no way of knowing if it was true unless you went on a doorstepping campaign I don't know about). Some people didn't want them there (local businesses like The Black Cherry (RIP) for example). But plenty of poeple seemed happy to have them. Plus this forum was tiny back then and can't be taken as a representation of what the people of ED were thinking at the time.

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm guessing that "last bloke" is what you meant > to type - though your version is funnier. Haha, for once my phone improves things.

I never liked the original Legend of Zelda, but Adventure of Link was one of my absolute favourites as a kid (funnily enough it wasn't liked by a lot of fans). If the new one is more open world then that will be a huge improvement.