Tarafitness, that is exactly what I want to know. I always assumed he was the owner, in which case, even if the place becomes much nicer under new management, I still wouldn't want to line his pockets! Back in 2003/04 when it was first The Vale, me and my circle of friends had some absolutely great nights down there on Fridays & Saturdays, and spent fortunes (I used to dp ?100 every night I was there - Oh to be young and have your own money to spend on yourself again!), however, gradually he and his heavy handed bouncers just p!ssed everyone off so much that we all decided not to go anymore. And believe me, none of us ever got in to any arguments or trouble in there, it was just as though the bouncers were looking for people to row with in order to make themselves look useful. The owner/manager would stand with them at the door taking money like some sort of East End gangster from the Kray's period. Total and utter knob!