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Amanda's was a good and positive post about the cherry tree, so I don't like to criticise. But yeah to be honest I wouldn't let my kids run around and get under staff's feet when they were carrying plates. That could have been dangerous for the staff and the kid.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "...The first route to come under the next Mayor's > control will be Southeastern in 2018, followed by > Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern services > in 2021. > > The South West trains franchise is currently under > negotiation but is likely to include a "break > clause" that means it could be taken over in > 2019." So lets not get too excited right now (although still good news in the long run). DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can't see why anyone would be keen for TFL to take > over London's entire suburban rail network.... > > Take a look how they run the bus services... It > would be a complete disaster.. > > DulwichFox. Buses are actually run by a number of different companies, so TfL often not directly to blame for issues. Personally I find the bus services pretty bloody impressive when you consider the numbers using them, especially at school run times. I use the London Overground every day from Sydenham to Canada Water, followed by tube and DLR. The overground is bloody great, and if we end up with nice new trains that you can walk all the way through (like we have on the existing overground routes) then that would be brilliant.

That article is nearly 2 years old, so it's only gotten worse since it was written. Not just central London either. A load of new properties in, for example, Stratford have been snapped up by foreign investors.

Great news, but imagine it will take ages to actually happen.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Franklins is a restaurant with a bar at the > front. > > Camberwell Arms and The Palmertson are "gastro > pubs" (i.e. superficially pubs, but food is the > main draw) > > And pubs/bars that serve basic grub (fish and > chips, burgers, pies, pizza, etc) are not > gastro-pubs.. Ah, this makes sense. So what I've called "gastropubs" for years are actually just "really shit pubs" (with the odd exception). I was thinking about it, and what I really miss are those people who you'd never exchange numbers with or see outside of the pub environment. But who you'd greet by name in the pub and have a laugh with. That's what I mean by "pub culture" and that's what I miss.

Also why would someone so sensitive and worried about people's dead grans then use the sort of language "rotting dead juices". I'm pretty sure that would be upsetting to anyone who's gran was buried there (not that I think there are any people left with grans buried there).

Franklins. Basically the pubs that are more restaurant than pub (not a gastropub type affair).

Didn't the white horse always do food?

snowy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That didn't matter. He was making money off the > bar / food, and then experimenting as to whether > there was a market for the back room That was my point really. The music and comedy element would be most welcome but wouldn't be enough alone unless you had a really really dedicated promoter that never slept.

snowy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The previous landlord had opened up the back room > again and had it full on a monthly basis. With > completely different programming to the Windmill / > Hoot. Once a month is not great business for the pub.

edborders Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you only want to save the 12 acres of woods, > form a group "Save The Woods of Camberwell Old and > New Cemeteries" and I will support you as far as > that goes. But we are trying to save the world. So why are you not called "Save the world"? At least the world exists.

Well said taper.

Cross posted.

He has a point. The music / comedy part of the pub was hardly full (or even open) every night and bringing the custom in to keep the place going.

Indeed taper. A "save the wooded area in Camberwell Old Cemetary" campaign would have made much more sense and avoided a lot of this nonsense.

I also think it sounds promising. Wondering how the mighty Zonderlings get in the line up.

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Could someone please just do a very brief, very > clear synopsis off all of this? Who wants what and > why?! A bunch of people made up a place called Southwark Woods, and now want to save it even though it doesn't exist. That's about the long and the short of it. There are some very old graves involved too. Graves of people that no one remembers.

edborders Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Why wouldn't you Largely because of you I'd imagine.

Harrow? "OUR CORNER OF SOUTH EAST LONDON" Hmmmm.

richard tudor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Still times move on, good job I bought my 5 bed > house in 1974. William Penn must have taught me > something. Looks like it taught you how to gloat and be bitter.

My will to live.

http://www.peckhamryemusicfestival.co.uk/ "THE PECKHAM RYE MUSIC FESTIVAL TAKES PLACE PRIMARILY ON SATURDAY 14TH MAY 2016 SHOWCASING THE BEST LOCAL ARTISTS, DJ?S, RECORD LABELS AND MORE. WE ARE ALSO BRINGING SOME OF THE MOST EXCITING AND RESPECTED NAMES IN UNDERGROUND MUSIC FROM ACROSS THE GLOBE TO OUR CORNER OF SOUTH EAST LONDON." Excuse the capitals, them not me.

Bird Flu. Was all the rage in 2009, but you just don't get it anymore.

That's pretty much how I felt about the CPT during the noughties.

Agree with Brandnewguy. On a personal note I would rather see the cemetary just left as it is (well maybe tidied up a bit in areas). But this campaign is being driven (at least on this forum) in a laughable manner with language you'd expect from a teenager (and not a very bright one). Someone diagrees with you so you say things like "You don't give a damn about trees, they aren't even trees, they are scrub you don't give a damn about the future (global warming, flooding, rotting dead juices flowing down Forest Hill Road) you liked the way things were in the past before all these bloody newcomers came in here, embarrassing you by appreciating things about the area that you never noticed." I mean seriously, have a word with yourself. It's embarrassing.