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Right, I need to find a day when I can skive off work and "do lunch".

Pleased with Liverpool's point from last night (would have taken the point before KO). Arsenal did have a good goal disallowed, but also survived the first half by the skin of Chech's teeth. Arsenal better side in the second half, but I know a couple of my Arsenal supporting mates were pleased with a point after 90 minutes.

I really do not get why no one has taken him yet. ?15m for a striker that got more goals than Sanchez, whilst playing in a relegation team seems like a no brainer.

Don't expect any more arrivals at LFC, but would like to see more attacking options. If Sturridge comes back and stays fit for a while that would be like a new signing...

Yep, and Shearer was his cheerleader. Pair of smug twats.

Haha, saw that earlier. When I suggested that there may be a hipster or tweo amongst the ranks I got slaughtered. Put it in the guardian and they're queueing up to talk to them. Tarts ;-)

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe. Not mine though because I already had a 2nd > team. Who are your second team?

Go to another website then go back and see if your predictions are still there.

He won't be PM. He'll get things talked about, that's a good thing. I am under 40 and he's no messiah to me. I just couldn't sit through 5 years of one of the others, only to see them lose again.

I wish MarmoraMan (among others) was still here.

Okay so just did it. Corbyn, Cooper, Burnham, Kendall. Creasy then Eagles for deputy. Spent time reading about them both this arvo, and wasn't much in it. Went with Creasy because she's young and passionate (something missing from the leadership race). Khan for London Mayor. So, I was far from sure about voting Corbyn, some of his ideas are batshit crazy, but it's not like he can push them through on his own. Basically none of the other 4 inspired me in any way. They should have ignored Corbyn and fought passionate campaigns, but instead they've increasingly made it all about "ABC", which has actuallypushed the likes of me further towards Corbyn. To those of you that say Corbyn is unelectable, I say you might be right (you might not be though). But let's assume you are right for a moment... Basically I don't believe that any of the others have what it takes to win in 2020. I am totally fed up with the establishment, which seems further and further disconnected to the majority of poeple. So I have voted for a cat which will be thrown amongst the pigeons and hopefully just highlight some alternitives. Then Stella Creasy can be first female Labour PM in 2025. Sorted.

Thanks DC, a lot of what you say about Corbyn does resonate with me, especially the bit about not being inspired by the others, and voting FOR something. My reason for considering Cooper was simply that I thought she would do well in PM Questions and she wouldn't apologise for everything, but other than that I'm not actually convinced by her. And yet something scares me about Corbyn. Probably just dear of the unknown (even though I'm totally disillusioned with the way things are) and the scare tactics of his opponents. I'll defo read up on Creasy and Eagle. Hadn't thought much about the deputy until today. Appreciate your thoughts.

Really? Bugger, can't say as I know too much about her, just liked the sound of her spiel. Especially A grassroots movement ? not a Westminster elite." What do you think of Stella Creasy DC? In FA t, if you don't mind saying, who are you intending to vote for (assuming you are) and why? I am really struggling, and every time I think maybe I've decided, I read something which puts right off.

Cool, will try the late kick off next time I get to Dulwich Hamlet (which annoyingly won't be this weekend)

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a car for camping trips and trips to big shops lime IKEA. Just winds me up when people try to convince me (as someone did on here once) that they absolutely NEEDED their car.

Just reading through profiles again. Shame Carotene Flint isn't running for leader.

Some people need a car. Most people however only claim that they "need" their car, whereas actually it's more accurate to say they like their car.

Some interesting fixtures this weekend. Gutted Arsenal Liverpool is Monday night though. I never get to watch Monday night games, and there are no highlights.

Indeed, it stinks. The utter arrogance of the rest of them is pretty shocking. They really don't seem to get it.

You make good points, and of course ideally families would care for each other in old age, but it's more complicated than that. With various factors such as people being priced out of the areas their parents live in, or moving far away from work. Plus people are struggling so much to pay mortgages that for many couples both adults have to work and are simply not able to act as carer for their elderly parents. Also lots of people have kids later than in the past, so it used to be that kids were grown up a bit before their grandparents got too old, but often now people have parents in their 70s and 80s whilst also having young children demanding a lot of their time and attention.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On the other hand, I can't understand why children think it's the states responsibility to take care > of their parents when they become ill. Could you explain what you mean by that?

That's just dirty talk. Work indeed.

Keep up LG, that was the last page ;-)

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It?s a forum Blah, people who have been here long > enough know my style so sorry if you find it > annoying, but the reason I tend to oppose the > ?left? on here is based on my intellectual > interpretation on the outcomes of left wing > economic ideas, for society as a whole rather than > the absolutely meaningless emotional stuff hinged > on such nebulous concepts as ?conscience? ?what?s > right? ?from the heart?. This emotional stuff > leads many on the left to really believe that they > are right and ultimately ?good? that all who > oppose, or even question their ?ideals? are > operating either entirely out of self-interest and > are ?bad? or are mindless proles acting on false > consciousness persuades so by the ?corporate > media? etc, etc. Tedious, unthinking, > unintellectual, dogmatic. > > Of course these beliefs are largely held my > middle-class metropolitan types. > > I like outcomes not ideals. > I?ll reiterate, I never ever voted conservative; I > have impeccable liberal views on the death penalty > and racism for example. I just don?t believe in > left wing economics very much - and socialism not > at all - as I think they result in outcomes that > are bad for us all ? inefficient industry, stifled > innovation/enterprise, reduced tax takes, higher > unemployment, reduction in freedom; sure, > eventually some equality but a lower common > denominator one and I don?t support the nebulous > concept of ?equality? either. My beliefs are based > on thinking about it myself, not self-interest, > and I may be wrong. > > I?m very uncomfortable about how and where the > conservatives are imposing some of the spending > cuts and sharing the burden out ? but generally I > think cuts are needed; I?d rather middleclass > pensioners has lost some benefits rather than > working families ; I think a govt that lies about > the outcome of its work program, needs bringing > to account. All these need a strong opposition. I > don?t believe Corybn is it or ever will be, I get > the sense his support is largely Union and > metropolitan younger age groups and the 'howlers' > on social media ? both pretty middleclass > nowadays. (just anectdotally I?ve not seen any > support for Corbyn on my working class social > media but plenty on the middleclass bits) And 10 > years of Tory rule, which I think is a given with > Corbyn, will not hurt these middleclass types much > but more likely the poorest 10%. But, hey, it?s a > vote from the heart?? > > I?d consider voting Labour (again) with another > leader but just felt Ed was actually nearer to > Corbyn but without the balls to say so. I?d vote > Conservative to keep Corbyn out because I think > he?d be a disaster for us all. Best post on this thread. I'm voting Cooper because she is the one that I think will best stand and fight with Cameron, and show this government's less fair actions up for what they are. So not so much that I really like Cooper, but more that she'll make them uncomfortable and she's not an apologist. Although I still expect Corbyn to win by a country mile, and part of me is quite excited to watch it all unfold.

Actually if he could grow the fuck up, I could see him fitting United better than he was ever gonna fit Rogers' Liverpool. Plating in the box with Rooney behind him.