StraferJack

"I think this sentiment is what I bothers me most about this thread. The underlying message is someone like me shouldn't have to live near poor people. My best friend just moved to Eltham-- it really not the Greek tragedy some on here are making it out to be. " Have to nip this in the bud. Nowt to do with neighbours income. Zero All to do with "well that's the chores done, fancy a pint? Let's go to... Oh" Some places just are deserts. And that has little to do with income. All through the badlands years hackney had stuff going on.

It's not so much about fairness or not - it's just untenable If everyone saying "it's the market stupid, dems the rules" had to take their salary, and their partner (at whatever the peaks of boths salaries were) and genuinely had to compete in the market for a home now (now, not 12 months ago) , it would be very instructive. Saying you can buy a 4 bed in (say) Anerley for 350k is one thing but I'm pretty sure not many people would. It doesn't even remotely compare to ED 15-20 years ago

deliberately phrased to evoke images of quids and el pibe locked up together?

implying a lie? who? I agree that "there are few areas in or close to zone 2 that are cheaper than ED." but that is the very point - when a traditionally cheap area is still at the bottom end of a price comparison table, but we are talking about the prices we are, where 2 income well paid professionals can't afford to buy, saying something is wrong is not the same as "moaning endlessly about how unfair it is" amongst all of the explanations (of which I am quite capable of putting forward myself) few people seem interested in saying much beyond "well here are the reasons - some of which we disagree about" But unless something is done to prick the bubble it will get very messy indeed (and a few people have put forward suggestions as to what might tame pricing)

this is like listening to politicians argue finer points of unrelated detail whilst missing the main point it doesn't really matter (to most people) if a 4 bed house costs 1.5 or 1.25 million

"Let us know what you cook, Quids." aye, but he can draw a veil over the rest

serious eats is a great site for recipes and methodology every Feb the main guy goes from hardcore meat eating to vegan the site picked the following as best vegetarian from 2013 http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/12/the-best-vegetarian-recipes-of-2013.html But this looks interesting enough for me to do it this weekend (bolognese yes, but have a read) http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/02/vegan-pasta-with-rich-and-hearty-mushroom-bol.html

of course, Hoopers would have fitted the bill perfectly

All of them show football and sports - which rules then out if you reread the first post

you can mentions it bob (you usually do ;-) ) but given how busy it gets on a Sunday with families, roasts and sport, it rules itself out of MrBen's reckoning on 3 seperate criteria

8 hours behind you and given the way my day is going I'm not waiting any longer - drinks NOW

oh dear moos has been taken "il"

good shout DC That one is great. It is a bit of a hop skip and a jump rather than nearby tho

I wish more posts were as authorative and succinct Nice one Lynne

All these names remind me that when a guitarist is big enough to be a focus, I tend to like the music less

As I'm sat on a stationary train outside forest hill, perhaps the hob might fit the bill too?

Or move to Lewes

Hermits cave.

West ham page 1 of ceefax table. Not bad

I always hated that road/path It's the only place in the area where as soon as I'm walking it my spidey senses are tingling. For years I was reassured by another forumite I was dreaming it (no names so let's call them Pl Eibe) And then as if to confirm that, twice* I had a small group position themselves so as to block me if I carried on walking as per (well once it happened for sure - I did a pretend face plam as if I had forgotten something and legged it back home. Second time I saw them lurking up ahead well in advance)

Anti vax mum of two wakes up http://goo.gl/7O3NZJ

A Tate coming to dulwich!! You heard it here first

Rooney was the one who REALLY celebrated. Was quite funny

Savers for a start

Just as I don't expect maths or science to explain Santa or little green men It's really very simple. If someone makes something up, they can wave away any scepticism by saying "mere science cannot deal with the majesty of what I believe"