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The Boris appointment is unavoidable and good internal politics Brexit just won with much Tory support. Boris or Gove were the big Tory Brexiters. One HAS to be in the cabinet - Boris is more popular with Tory members and still with Brexiters in the general pop FS is the least powerful of the major offices of state of which Gove or Boris HAS to be in one Why is everyone surprised?

I think your view (and forecasts )on Europe are very, very rosy indeed in my opinion. Italy, the obvious example, which you acknowledge slightly, is right on the edge, all its banks teetering - and we (in the UK) employ about 100,000 young Italians so if we see stagnation then a lot of this 'unemployment' will get exported (see also Spain) back. France is in a right mess with all of its badly needed structural reforms rejected by militant unions. The EU economy is in a pretty poor state, was trending downwards earlier and Brexit isn't going to help. Even Germans performance is below par (and we are responsible for a HUGE % of their trade surplus with the world) I agree with you on both the lending (in terms of demand) and the relatively impotency of interest cuts...I'd like some helicopter money :) A Labour government in 5 years.......looks very unlikely (and I suspect some wishful thinking) "A fall in GDP would cause a recession"...er, a fall in GDP (for 2/4) defines a recession, strange turn of words? I don't get your logic how the trade deal works out well for Europe and at the same time not us? Also, you seem to be contradicting your line on both precedent and measureability in your thread the other day with this, which I think was my line of argument/challenge back then: As I wrote above - "everything is immeasurable, the current understandings are set aside, the timing of everything is unknown as is the sequence of events [Article 50/negotiation first, Scotland veto] & there is no precedence even on which to base any possibilities."

yes. But subjectively I agree with you. Objectively it is hard to make a case that it will happen. The govt are committed to Brexit; We are unlikely to get a GE; the opposition are in total shambles but the likelihood is that who ever wins won't oppose Brexit either (more so if it's Corbyn, the likely winner). But if we do get a GE, then the majority just voted out and many who voted remain think it's done now and many would likely vote for their traditional choices in a FPTP system rather than a cancel Brexit party- the latter two bits are my opinion admittedly. I've just found it a lot easier to 'move on' by accepting this than clutching at tenuous straws.

Influence events for the better is subjective in this case though yes?

Prepare to be surprised

We - most of us anyway - can make a philosophical case of why it could and even should happen. But it won't - you need to move on Jenny/Loz.

You guys must be delighted, him being such a good manager and everything...........

Actually, 1 person owning a mini is a far more selfish use of space if you work it out. Predictable targeting though.....

Liking Paddy Power on the Celtic result: "it was a tough game in tough conditions" ..it was a game against a team of shopkeepers in a holiday resort Anyone seen Mick M BTW?

I can't see how Labour continue as is - this is an affront to parliamentary democracy by the hard left led by cuddly old principled Jeremy and his ?3 trots (ty very much Ed Miliband, proper Labour members must be thinking)

Is Southend mud? - we used to go down there lots of weekends when I was really young but I can't remember the beach just the Pier, which suggests it is mud!

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > + people who think a non-Brexit manifesto would > > get anywhere near power are delusional > > I had a Lib Dem leaflet arrive over the week-end I > think. If there was an election this would be part > of their manifesto. > I would vote for them on that alone. Why is it > delusional to think they wouldn't have a chance? 52% voted Leave - I'm willing to think a reasonable number regret it but suspect it's not material. A reasonable amount (and i expect much more than regretters) of the 48% have accepted it (including me as a sample of 1) The Conservatives won't have this in their manifesto and Labour won't The SDP or even the 'Vote Referendum 2 party" wouldn't get a majority even with PR, they've no chance in FPTP It's pie in the sky

Well it looks like being the SNP or UKIP next time...but not Plaid Cymru John :)

Anyway on the dull old capitalist markets this morning that pay most of our pensions and help provide our jobs and ultimately fund our public services; the FTSE 100 is at an 11 month high, FTSE 250 is trending upwards and the ? is appreciating rapidly against the $ ...one bit of uncertainty (who is PM) removed 2 months earlier than anticipated and this is what happens, confidence returns a bit. Let's get on with it and the Labour party can fight its increasingly irrelevant battles in the background....

it'll fail. It's a decent Badge of "I'm not a racist I voted remain" but that is nearly yesterday's story, has a very limited shelf life and the hurt has gone for most on this now and we are 'moving on' in the counselor's vernacular.

It is depressing *Bob* as someone who is going to go to my grave having voted Labour more than any other party to see the utter shambles they are and how incompetent on all sides. And yet my Facebook page still has rational, people I like and love, normally sensible people, still STILL doing the online shouting "Jezz we can"....

You've an interesting idea of shambles...... Plenty of Brexit MPs support her now - they (the Tories) aren't very divided There is so much precedent for a new PM without an election it's ridiculous If there was an election I think Labour would be absolutely slaughtered + people who think a non-Brexit manifesto would get anywhere near power are delusional (and Labour wouldn't run on this anyway) An election would be a distraction, increase uncertainty and thus damage our economy Let's get on with Brexit with someone who at least has experience and will negotiate well Then GE at which Labour can say in their manifesto they'll legislate to = EU workers rights as an example as they, or certainly the Corbyn bit, don't seem to have any other grasp of the meaning of the EU (half of Labour seem to think that this - workers rights - is somehow part of the brexit negotiations, shows how clueless they are to be honest)

I look at Labour at the moment and am so releived they are nowhere near power. Corbyn in his bunker surrounded by his fellow stalinists refusing to talk to his MPS who represent 8 million voters not his 200,000 ?3 trots! Then I heard Eagle on R4 this morning....bloody hell I'd rather have Corbyn! Useless, absolutely useless - how any one can think the shower that is currently the Labour Party could negotiate with Merkel et al is beyond me - now that would be truly scary. In these circumstances I'm quite happy with May, I mean quite in its proper sense rather than that I am enamoured by her.

How are your forecasting skills working out on this Lordship? Being an expert and that.......you weren't just straight lining this were you? That would be schoolboy.

They're on sale in the newsagent opposite the cinema

To Elephant & Castle on train (10 mins?) then Bakerloo to Piccadilly Circus (10 mins) then walk - Shaftesbury Avenue isn't that long (maybe another 10 mins)

I'm more excited by the managers in the EPL next year than the players!

I think the real problem is that, despite the wishful thinking, there won't be a coalition of significant parties standing on a platform of reversing Brexit nor would such a coalition win an election. Most Tories and many in Labour know that's it now, so can't see Labour in such a coalition without a split UKIP (in Labour heartlands) and Tories (in their strongholds/marginals) would hoover up votes against a 'get back in' campaign EVEN if Labour ran on it - (see above: they wont) It's finsihed. People need a reality check, it's done - now we may get something reasonably near what we were in terms of trade/movement etc (possibly); but we are propa out of what we were in terms of politics/membership

woohoo seeing him Sunday

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