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Nice simultaneous post...we didn't rig it honest!

So, the Irish owned bookmaker firm Paddypower is strange form of self-hatred? As it happens personally I don't tend to call people either Irish people or people from Pakistan by 'slang' generic names reflecting certain nationalities either as individuals or collectively, but 'Paddy' feels different to 'Paki' to me for whatever reasons, and I think it's largely intent as many posters have suggested. However, I'm sure Irish people in the UK have had the word Paddy used unpleasantly against them or even patronisingly, which I assume is just as bad. But I don't know. On the other hand I'm happy using Scouse/Geordie, Cockney, Mancs, ect and also happy using Taffs and Jocks (Sweatys) and Yanks, Aussies, safas and Kiwis as collective terms - almost always used in terms of sport although not to individuals. I don't mind being called a Pommie or a Brit, although the latter is sometimes used with 'intent', but then historically we Brits have tended to be oppressor rather than the oprressed..I dunno, go and figure but it doesn't feel the same to me, 'Paki' is now and probably always was racist.

Same year, to be honest a better group and a nicer astmophere, Vicky park, Anti-Nazi League concert, the Clash....i'm at the very back somehwere! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9eLeZS9OeY

A small but knowledgeable turnout - I got caught out by the standing for the anthem thing. Thoroughly enjoyed a good game in good company without the tension of being too involved (unlike everyone else in the Castle). Shocking defending for the last goal everyone in the Italian half. Hope Ireland win their play off for some repeat nights next summer!

I bet your mum didn't let you watch Sham 69 Anna - a bit of a mini-riot at Reading that year between skinheads, punks and rockers!

*looks round room for hidden camera*

Pete Shelley hasn't aged well

Middleaged punks (from Manchester RD)

No *Bob* it's from the Reading bootleg "Pissed up reminiscing when you should be in bed"...I have the other one on vinyl naturally

...stick that up your arse Radiohead, probably sums it up nicely

...i'm on the left near the front..the cockney kids are innocent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6utdlMvuD74

Sorry not going to make the second half, just finished painting

I will be there about 7.30 as I have paint to remove and need a bite, cheers

I was a divorced man in my late 30s...to be avoided...settled down again in my 40s

Come down the pub and watch Ireland beat Italy..sorted

Your point on the legal aspect is a good one too which does, in my opinion, rightly seperate the issue between race and nationality

erm, I'm not, I don't disagree with any of what you said or indeed what practically everyone else has on here, you're looking for fights that aren't being fought on here, that's all......not that that's in your nature ;-)

*Bob*'s picked up a few recently

Legal - people aren't missing your point I can't see any post on here which says they are the same. This thread was started on the basis of what's happened on strictly come dancing (not with any racist intent) and looking at the responses ED has passed its liberal lite test with top marks

*throws away Dualit*

Ladbrokes - no, and generally poor odds Chener Books - no. Spent it all on signage Bossman - No. Being refurbished but 6 Stella for a ?5, can't go wrong

good additions

I was a bit gobsmacked as I think he was - still, don't forget a murderering bomber of civilians like Kissinger got it

I've redefined my faults on a 35 single straight bloke..one of the follwing: Mad Bad Sad or a dad

Silver Buckle's been closed a few months