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Didn't Mandleson say it would be a disaster if we didn't join the Euro? My economic fear is just (just) outweighingi my political fear that the lack of engagement from us (and i include many other non-UK europeans in that) and the MEPS/Brussels itself is dangerous for politics. I really can't see the bureacracy and unaacountability being reformed either... I am just a borderline in, but i'd not be horrified by an out. and, yes, as Maxi says , the stoopid reflex link between anyone who questions it with 'little englanders' (who do of course exist) is smug, guardianista crap

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Good grief! 25 years ago to the day since Gazza > did this to the Wanderers. > > Makes me feel so old as I was listening on the radio on the way up to Villa Park for our semi-final vs Forest (another FA Cup heartbreak :( )

a quote from the Guardian that makes sense to me: "But the lesson of the Miliband years is that public mistrust of rich Tories doesn?t automatically rehabilitate confidence in Labour. And the lesson of the past week is that the prime minister is more vulnerable on incompetence than on income tax"

The problem is that Cameron and Osbourne are hyper sensitive to the 'posh boys' criticism partly because they are posh boys and partly because their opponents ram it at them constantly. That partly explains the crap comms - and I agree it has been crap - Cameron just hoped, very optimistically, it would die down before he realised what he had to do. He should have said something like: Yes as being reasonably well off I have investments and some of these WERE offshore as most people in a pension funds are, including all of the MPs in the H of C pension scheme for example.These are and were perfectly legal and were declared when liquidated on that year's tax return. But as I said linking this type of investments with the Aggressive avoidance of Jimmy Carr or the fat bloke from Take That or at the illegal end with money laundering etc is just ignorant (mainly) or deliberate politcs from theose that hate the Tories (and they are legion). There is really very little to see here genuinely. I think this will probably blow over and it brands Labour as is as very much an anti-wealth, anti-aspiration party once again (as it now is in my view) which won't persuade many of the unconverted. The narrative (false as it is) will damage Cameron but in the long term I'm not sure it does much for Labour, more for the general cynicism with politics. The good thing in the bigger picture (the original leaks) is that there will be more scrutiny internationally on this as is also developing in Multi-National corporate tax, which is good.

Can we do one for the EDF Lounge on potential bans....just suggesting :)

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > his record on transfers in general and > > specifically with the Bale money? > > Ok, well let's start with Bale. Cost us ?5m - had > two good and one world class season out of him and > sold him - no choice but to- for ?90m. > > He bought 7 players with the proceeds; Lamela, > Eriksen and Chadli are all very important parts of > the squad. Soldado just didn't fit. He didn't stop > trying and didn't become a bad striker overnight > as his record since back in Spain testifies. The > other 3 were bad purchases yes. > > You have to consider other bits of business too- > for every shit signing there's been more good > ones. Both of our full backs were bought for a > pittance and are now some peoples picks to start > in the Euros. > > Also- Dier (?4m), Alli (?5m), Lloris (?10m), > Alderweireld (?12m), Vertonghen (?12m) > > Would anyone seriously call those bad signings? I was just saying that's maybe why people don't like him (personally i don't give a hoot it's Spuds). I think last year and previous he wasn't seen as nearly as astute etc (and Jah's tune's changed I recall?). A bit of success changes perceptions very quickly, 'tis human nature.

So therefore should john McDonnell stop moralising rah then? (Westminster Council pension managed in Guernsey) or infact any MP? (MP's pension fund managed in Jersey)... ALL of this is standard investment practice... ...all it (this ridiculous noise) demonstrates is people's financial illiteracy. To tie in what Cameron had done in equivalence with say Jimmy Carr who used extremley aggressive tax avoidance to minimise his tax is just wrong and to tie him in with money laundering false at the extreme end of teh Panama Papers I just despair of people's stupidity and moral high-grounding. Most fuckwits on social media are still struggling with evasion/avoidance. God help us if the financially moronic and wealth haters ever get their hands on power - unless you ca run a modern health service on worthiness.

My only caveat is if you have a side return that faces north on an east facing house then that bit can be a bit damp and dark and not much good for plants etc :) - but that's not the garden

"Don't tell them Pikey"

We have east garden (long) not an issue at all - I can only imagine it's an issue if you have the south blocked by surrounding buildings or trees as srisky says. April-Oct we get sun almost all day from the south and reasonable late sun at the bottom of the garden in high summer.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Oh let's de-trendy this thread. Classic b-side > an > > the real reason Funky Moped got in the > charts... > > > > Pay attention Quids, Malumbu has done that one > already. Apologies Malumbu...great minds etc

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I haven't read all three pages on this important > and pressing issue, but I feel certain the arrival > of a Sweaty Betty does not signify the end of > cohesive local community. You don't have to *Bob* you've read the previous 137 similar threads started by Lou - you could probably do a reasonable job of duplicating the 3 pages without reading it.....

his record on transfers in general and specifically with the Bale money?

The thing is this posh Tories thing isn't as powerful as Lefties think (it failed last time) - take the inheritance thing a reasonable amount of the electorate are against inheritance tax (the actions of Mr Tony Benn and Ralph Milliband would suggest they were too :) ); a reasonable amount of people think tax is best avoided as much as possible; Now i'm not saying either of these positions are morally correct but many people hold them so this focus is very echo-chamery to me Lefty Twitter is doing the rounds with "Osbourne paid more tax than Corbyn earned" - to me, no longer a natural lefty, I think "so what that's a good thing isn't it?" rather than it''s evidence of anything sinister. It is really anti-wealth and many people aspire to wealth.

''''shows how much he needs to do that i didn't even think about Liverpool for my analysis :)

Oh let's de-trendy this thread. Classic b-side an the real reason Funky Moped got in the charts...

I'm really looking forward to seeing the odds for the title next year - I think they'll be plenty of value about as City and Chelsea (and maybe Arsenal) will be overvalued - I think United will be priced OK. But you'd expect Spurs to be among favourites (if not favourite) will also be interesting to see what prices for Leicster (and West Ham). Basically, is this season an anomaly or the shape of things to come?

So a two horse race for sure now?

Middle class lefties hate the working class and any sign of not knowing their place. Any aspiration and they are spivs or class traitors. Priveliged middle class twats squashing any uppiness- laughably the middle class left are now trying to claim victim hood in everything themselves middle class guilt now being replaced by false victim hood and social media 'activism"

Classist rubbish Blah. There have been 3 working class PMs - Callaghan, Major and Heath; you do the maths. Plenty of Tory MPs re from working class backgrounds and the Labour Party haven't done much for the white working classes since the 70s. You can disagree on their right or wrongs but a stockbroker who didn't have some overseas funds to other his clients to legally maximise their returns on investment would soon be out of clients. Just tedious class war and a complete misunderstanding of investment/ finance is all I pull out of the tedious memes of social media on all this. Based on this even more than before I wouldn't trust anyone on the left with the economy and that's been reinforced by the uniformed rot they are all peddling about finance/investment etc. Venezuela is what we'd end up like.

Fantastic game... But I think that's our top 4 hopes gone

Take Ken Livingstone - on Russia TV saying David Cameron should be arrested. That's Russian TV, Putin's PRAVDA - i bet he didn't mention Putin once. That's Ken Livingstone who channeled his considerable earnings through company shells to pay an effective tax rate of under 20% (yeah, some socialist) and Ken Livingstone whose companies were prosecuted twice for tax evasion. I know where I think the more unpleasant, the thickos and dupes are on the political scale.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Talk on Twitter that David Cameron should > Resign.. > > Do people here think he should... ? > > I think he needs to seriously concider his > position... > > DulwichFox It's twitter - it's full of idiots who believe or are promoting the one way propaganda of social media co they hate the Tories. He's made a mess of this communications wise which his enemies are jumping on but it's really no different to Ed Milliband's dad leaving his house in trust to avoid tax. The people I am beginning to hate the most are the angry middle classes of social media who don't even want to understand understand this at all, they don't even know the difference between avoidance and evasion (see also debt and deficit). Thick, angry privileged twats themselves largely.

25 years ago today one of my favorite ever albums released, so in honour a great cover of a soulboy classic:

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Good quality beauty products do not have class > boundaries, we all want to treat ourselves > sometimes. " > > Which is why Space NK have branches in: > > Hampstead > St. Johns Wood > Leeds > Marylebone > Chiswick > Manchester > Harrogate > Chichester > Stratford-Upon-Avon > Chester > Fenchurch Street > Kingston > Wimbledon > Marlow > Cobham > Brighton > Islington > Henley > Harvey Nichols Bristol > South Molton Street > Parsons Green > Harvey Nichols Knightsbridge :) Not one in Bromley?