er, my point is that the anti-debate is just that - "CDOs" etc being a pretty good example of it Sean. iE where the text book Guardian response starts so often prejudice dressed up as 'being right' without debate and to challenge it is the devlish work of fascists...come on, I thought you were a champion of the madness of "BadScience". I know bugger all about this but I'm sure as hell willing to listen to a rational debate about it (as far as I can see it does offer us a potential way out of the forthcoming energy holocaust) without my lefty mates, who know as little as me, taking a ooooh it's the work of the devil starting pointand defaulting to "Chernobyl" as if that's the end of the argument. Flatearthiness of the worst kind...