midivydale

Louisa I just wanted to say thank you. For reflecting, and sharing those reflections. Joe, yes yes yes to all the points that you have made.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Most of the people who voted out don't even know > where Norway is.... Indeed, or even what constitutes this magic "Norway style" deal. If I wasn't so scared for the future I would laugh at the irony and idiocy.

Just deleted my 50th comment about how sad and dismayed I feel. You lot have had to read enough of that, it doesnt add anything further to the "debate".

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Do people genuinely believe that the rest of Europe has any interest at all in providing Britain with a "Norway style" "deal"?!

Sb, I agree wholeheartedly. I was in tears on the phone to my dad this morning trying to explain how it feels to have worked your socks off for a country for over a decade, to have born children here, to have campagined for more primary schools, campagined for breast feeding cafes, for equal pay, for lidos and parks. The list goes on and on and on. I feel crushed, and drained. I genuineley believed that I was part of this country, that this was my home. To find out that really, I do not belong, the division of a "them and us" that I genuinley did not know exisited but has become so evident in the aftermath of this vote has floored me. The polish girl at the cafe this morning, she wiped away her tears too as we spoke, and hugged and then tried to smile.

I have started this process now, you do need to apply for indefinate leave to remain first, but if you qualify for citizenship you can apply straight away after you have received your card. You do not need to wait a certain amount of time (if you fulfil the criteria).

It is so sad, I am heartbroken.When i got here the UK was a warm and welcoming country and I was i was made to feel at home. It didn't feel like a big move with my EU passport, no bigger than I imagine it would feel like for someone from Yorkshire to move to London. I had the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else. and i have felt very much as part of society. This has all now changed. I first felt excluded that despite the impact the outcome of the referendum would have on my British child's future, I had no say at all. Despite having paid ALOT of tax, more than most people in fact, for over 15 years. Fair enough though, I'm not British after all. After the leave vote, I dont feel welcome at all. Despite paying more tax than most people, I'm being reminded that I should be grateful that I'm allowed to live here, I should be grateful that I get to use the nhs. (I am a huge fan of the nhs. I am grateful, very much so, but I refuse to be told I should know my place). I have loved this country since I was a child. I have paid taxes, volunteered and supported all the local British communities i have ever lived in. I'm being told that I'm ridiculous to worry about this as no one will get thrown out of the country. But having to even think about this after having felt as very much a part of society for two decades is unsettling and disturbing. We celebrate the Quees birthday, cheer for Murray and I duly put on my England shirt for football. I watch East Enders, hell I even eat a fry up! The feeling is very difficult to explain, the feeling of all of a sudden having been demoted. My 4yr old, who is British asked me this morning "why people doesnt want his mummy to live in London?" It is a tragedy, and of course very very personal.

Yes, sadly it does. We are currently in the heartbreaking discussion of what to do next for the future of our family.

Come to the lounge, the threads are there.

wm, pls pm me. I am currently working out my own situation and happy to share findings with your Swedish friend. Sweden accepts dual citizenship. X

I am heartbroken.When i got here the UK was a warm and welcoming country and I was i was made to feel at home. It didn't feel like a big move with my EU passport, no bigger than I imagine it would feel like for someone from Yorkshire to move to London. I had the same rights and responsibilities as everyone else. and i have felt very much as part of society. This has all now changed. I first felt excluded that despite the impact the outcome of the referendum would have on my British child's future, I had no say at all. Despite having paid ALOT of tax, more than most people in fact, for over 15 years. Fair enough though, I'm not British after all. After the leave vote, I dont feel welcome at all. Despite paying more tax than most people, I'm being reminded that I should be grateful that I'm allowed to live here, I should be grateful that I get to use the nhs. (I am a huge fan of the nhs. I am grateful, very much so, but I refuse to be told I should know my place). I have loved this country since I was a child. I have paid taxes, volunteered and supported all the local British communities i have ever lived in. I'm being told that I'm ridiculous to worry about this as no one will get thrown out of the country. But having to even think about this after having felt as very much a part of society for two decades is unsettling and disturbing. We celebrate the Quees birthday, cheer for Murray and I duly put on my England shirt for football. I watch East Enders, hell I even eat a fry up! The feeling is very difficult to explain, the feeling of all of a sudden having been demoted. My 4yr old, who is Brittish asked me this morning "why people doesnt want his mummy to live in London?" It is a tragedy, and do not tell me not to take it personally

Hear hear working mummy. It is a tragedy that voters decided to educate themselves and what their votes meant after their vote had been casted. Nothing but a tragedy.

I am so sorry working mummy, really really sorry and thank you to you both for encouraging words. I just feel so sad for the future of our children. That fear and hatred won today. I am sad that after 20 years here, for most of which I have paid an enormous amount of tax, I did not get a say in the referendum. I had no voice. I believe in Europe

Heartbreaking day. I can not help but feel that the country that I lived, loved worked and paid taxes in for 20 years do not want me or the likes of me here. The Britain I have always loved, clearly is no longer. I have no idea what this means for our family.I am distraught.

Southwark Gymnastics in Camberwell

Veggie faijtas Veg lasagna

Oh sorry x

I tried, repeatedly,over a 6 mnth period to get a viewing organised. Phones never answered or messages passed on. I gave up in the end. Having said that it looks a lovely place from the outside and I have met a mum in the park several times who has a little girl there and is very happy. Hopefuy you will have someone with first hand experience replying soon.

Which area of medicine?

Away on holiday but can do Friday 24th evening.

Ha, thats what mini ivy says, he proudly states "Y for lellow". One poster made me think when she said that the speech therapist has made her child aware that he had pronounciation issues and that is what made me hold off progressing down that route. I feel more reassured now that some more sounds are falling into place. Will pick this up with school if there are concerns at that stage.

Thought about this thread the other day as several of the sounds seem to have fallen into place over the last few weeks. Almost over night he learned sh and ch, which has made a big difference. There are hardly any sounds left now that he cant say. He just needed abit more time.

I couldnt live without ours. My son still has little concept of danger so I end up holding on to it most of the time when we are near traffic (almost always) but it works well for us. We spent an entire day in Brighton yday and the scooter was a godsend for tired little legs.

How about roasting the veg? Takes no time at all to prep, chop, olive oil, salt and pepper and straight in the oven.