SeanMacGabhann

I would trade places with a neighbour that smokes a fag instead of my current situation where a neighbour continually ties up a pit-bull with the most horrendous yelp morning noon and night. I feel for the dog but it does my head in ummm.. sorry got distracted there If a pub did it "all night long" I would be against it too - but 9:30-10pm seems a reasonable compromise IMO As with many things, I do understand neighbours pov, but if I look to other countries where bars are open much later, with more r?-r? generally I wonder how those neigbours cope - or do they just join in or accept their lot? I dunno. It just SEEMS less problematic

oh shoot annaj - I forgot. Umm... all depends on the pub in question of course! * scrabbles around looking for something positive to say * * gives up and goes back to work * Cassius - good points as well there. I remember Liqourish opening and being quite surprised myself - I didn't expect travel agents to become bars. I would definitely be interested in seeing life from one of the houses in question tho - just to get an idea of how the reality is

well - if I was a single parent in ED I would consider the following The baby group days in the Plough and EDT have, the 2 times I've encountered them, appeared really really friendly and approachable The Park appears to be full of people with kids who end up interracting - esp near the cafe Arrange a sitter and come along to next forum drinks and meet several other people with kids who would be only to happy to buy you a drink and give some advice (ya won't get the chaotic off-topic chip-ins you see on the threads) are all those really predictable?

Have you changed anything you do or the way you think as a result of anything on this forum? A small example occurred to me today as I got off the bus and picked up all of my newspaper - I used to leave the sports section and anything else I was finished for "others to read" but having been picked up on by (I think) Alan Dale and looking at the general mess on buses anyway I started to collect and take everything with me - dunno if that's any better or not but I wouldn't have changed my behaviour if it wasn't for discussion on here Anyone else got any (and better) examples?

Despite being pro smoking-ban in pubs, I would support the Cherry's moves to have the outside rear-area. I do hear what people say about not wanting smoke drifting into their gardens but having lived next door to pubs before smoke's the least of one's worries. I actually liked the chatter drifting over from the gardens. And it is a pretty small area too - it's not like the beer garden of the bishop's sister pub in Herne Hill which had an ACRE of people outside surrounded by houses If you have a house adhacent to a pub in London I would say you should be able to rub along with the neighbours a little better rather than expect similar tranquility to a Devon country-house I'm sure someone will come on and detail just how bad it CAN be and I'm open to persuasion - but on balance.....

this is al a bit close to home for me... :(

oooh that one felt needed mightyroar! better ?

about what you meant with the "dust?" - sorry, but me getting that was the only meaningful use of my brain so far today aaaanyway Arsenal 3 v Middlesbrough 1 Derby 0 v Man Utd 4 Liverpool 2 v Reading 1 Portsmouth 1 v Aston Villa 1 Sunderland 1 v Chelsea 2 West Ham 2 v Blackburn 1 Fulham 1v Everton 1 Man City 0 v Tottenham 2 Wigan 0 v Bolton 0 Birmingham 1v Newcastle 2

Not sure cat would be interested in Mr Rat Do you think it's resident or wandered in the back door? If it's the latter just try and steer with a broom If it's the former you could try a rat trap on your own or get a pest controller out... or get a snake- they loves em

that made me smile in middle of a bad day that did! Not an obscure quote as such but taken out of context it made me think..

I am both proud and upset for you Keef! good tho' innit?

aaaaaaah - THAT animation! love it love the theater rant too *Bob* * sharpens pencil for own rant *

Dave C - your quote just reminded me of another great and crazy yank (who I had the privilege to meet) - Bill Hicks --------------- "I'll tell you, too, that's starting to depress me about UFO's, about the fact that they cross galaxies or wherever they come from to visit us and always end up in places like Fife, Alabama. Maybe these are not super-intelligent beings, man. Maybe they're like hillbilly aliens. Some intergalactic Joade family or something. "Don't you all want to land in New York, or L.A.?" "Nah, we just had a long trip, we gonna kick back and whittle some." Oh, my God, they're idiots. "We're gonna enter our mothership in the tractor pull!" My God, we're being invaded by rednecks. My biggest fear. Last thing I want to see is a flying saucer up on blocks in front of some trailer, you know? Wouldn't that be depressing? Some bumper sticker on it - "They'll get my ray gun when they pry my cold, dead, eighteen-fingered hand off of it!" Herb

Oh dear lord, thank you Damo - I thought it was just me!

mikese22 - "ana mhaith" for the practical and downright sensible suggestions Allfornun - just stop it will you? for the Columbo reference alone, Snorky wins bonus points (sorry katy) I'm all FOR t'Black Cherry (ahem, I believe I was their first ever customer) but I am worried if their business plan is dependent on the outside area. That has been a non-starter from the get go and even if I agree with the business that locals are being pernickety (which I do) I'm not sure local councilors will do much to aid the situation I will write and support the Cherry - but there must be more to it than "needing the extra spaces out back"

Bit of a scattergun approach that one macroban - name names

I'm reading the post as "if Black Cherry can't extend into the garden they can't afford to keep running" but I could be wrong on that score - before we start emailing people can you clarify katy?

but that's what makes the victims the Good Guys - they are desperately unfortunate but they DON'T go around killing people - even (insert latest Atila description of murderer here) I don't see any lack of sympathy for victims, despite your assertions

I suspect in this killer's case there probably isn't much room for any of it to be slightly fair to Atila But it behoves us to at least try IMO

I always thought "crystalclear" was a she - until (s)he changed their name to fear'n'boozin

Bit of a catch all rant there Atila isn't it? You can't polish a turd - well that doesn't work as metaphor does it? Many criminals (including violent ones and killers) can and are rehabilitated Atrocities commited in the places you mention are not exactly the same as the common-or-garden-variety criminal walking the streets - butif you are asking would I rather walk the streets NOW or would I rather walk the streets before dusty old men took charge then not only count me as a NOW person but I would question the sanity of anyone who choses otherwise. Have people rad no history - do you know just how mean these mean streets used to be? And as you are someone who is a big fan of Wenger - whose articulate and cool intelligence have brought so much to the commoner's game - which do you think he would prefer? Or to think of it differently again.. when those rumours about him started when he arrived, what if somone who believed them took teh law into his own hands and we read in the papers about how some "sick pervert" was beaten to death.. "society is better off without him"?

indeed Kel - but they have more cause to complain

easy georgia - when fish is talking about genuine poverty and OAPs, complaining about 14p on a bottle of wine is a bit .... well...

I can't see it at work ! :(

sorry macroban - some elucidation required if the 10% bracket was removed in an earlier budget (and I could be wrong on that to be fair) then those people lumped into the higher bracket have just had some relief if the basic rate has been reduced The quickest of googles (so again, possibly wrong) shows for 07/08 Taxable Band Allowances 2007-08 (?) Starting rate 10% 0 - 2,230 Basic rate 22% 2,231 - 34,600 Higher rate 40% Over 34,600