sorry - it wasn't a pavlovian response, I was picking from the article in question "HOW MANY QUALIFY FOR A PENSION PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS? Five million employees in all. That includes 1.3m health workers with the NHS, 1.6m in local government, 600,000 teachers, 600,000 civil servants, 200,000 in the armed forces, 150,000 police officers and 50,000 firemen. " In retrospect I should have just quoted the paragraph in full But I genuinely (and I'm not saying this for arguments sake) don't get "We - all of us- can't afford a levelling up...so a levelling would be more socialist and equal" We can't influence a levelling up maybe - but I don't necessarily buy the private-sector company line about how they can no longer afford to keep employees pension schemes in some sort of decent shape And again, I'm not arguing - there isn't any point because I am totally serious when I say your vision of ditching the schemes in the public-sector will definitely happen. I just fail to see how this is a good thing. More equitable, arguably. But not a desired result if you were having this conversation 30 years ago