Mockney, I really have to pull you up on the Phil Collins thing. His drumming has never been more than workmanlike as far as I can tell. I challenge you to name a Genesis track which will change my mind. Not a big Lars Ulrich fan, he certainly hits the drums hard, but there's no flair, subtlety, or inventiveness. I guess their music doesn't really call for it though. Everett Morton from The Beat... now there's a drummer. Stewart Copeland. Mitch Mitchell. Brooks Wackerman.